Avatar sex detection.

Is there a way to determine the sex of the AV in a script?? Maybe some way to read a profile entry to tell a sex. I have animations for sitting like a man and sitting like a woman. If I could determine the sex of an AV I could make furniture that makes the AV sit properly for the sex of the av.

I'm sure others could think of other ways to use such infomation. Please let me know.

No way that I know of, but WOW! - what a suggestion. We could get rid of all those pink and blue poseballs all over couples furniture if the furniture could automatically route you to the "her" pose or the "his" pose.

Just ask the user with a dialog box.

Speaking as part of a lesbian couple we use a mix of FF poses and MF poses for various things. The fact I'm way taller than my other half helps us determine which way round we usually sit. But such automatic routing would be tricky for us... it's not the ultimate panacea.

Try using llDetectedSex

http://secondlife.com/badgeo/wakka.php?wakka=llDetectedSex

Sorry, Eloise. Typing faster than I'm thinking today.

Guys this is second life.
A function to detect "av sex" would be equivalent to "return TRUE;"

Automatic pose selection would only work for heterosexuals who adopt heteronormative rolls. Many SL users would be left out if this became the norm. Even in straight couples there is pegging. And sometimes a man just wants to be held by his woman (or his man).

Before this becomes all about gender oppression and the original topic becomes a speck in the distance, here's a practical reason the gender-neutral poseball would be difficult. Most poseballs are position-dependant, meaning they assume the "man" will be here and the "woman" will be there. If either poseball could play either pose depending on the gender of the occupant, you end up with one person missing out on cuddling and the other cuddling empty air if they don't sit on the "right" balls.

It would still be nice to have a llGetAvatarGender() function since that information is stored somewhere after you choose for your shape.

Can you change the sit target position *after* someone's sat on it? That might be one way to move the avatar into the right position. He/she sits, you ask them if they want the male or female pose/animation, and adjust the sit position accordingly. Not sure if that's doable. If it is, this could perhaps be extended into one ball with two sit targets embedded in it, maybe in hidden prims. So each person just sits on it, answers the question, and everything works. No blue-pink double balls

You could do this by having the person touch the ball, asking them which pose they want, adjusting the sit pos and then saying ok, you sit down now, then have the next person touch it. But that'd be a little clunkier.

Well it seems we are being driven off into a thread about pose balls, but before we get too far off, I would like to mention that the original question about a function to determine gender comes up time and time again.

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CANT WE HAVE THIS FUNCTION?

Everyone wants it.

Gender politics aside, in a world that revolves around social activity where dressing up and virtual sex are it's most popular aspects, why is there not a single a single function to deal with clothes, dressing, avatar sex, or gender?

LL script is lterally full of functions that make even the most obscure aspects of gun creation possible for instance, even though guns are officially not allowed. Yet there is nothing at all to deal with avatars, their inventory and their sexual proclivities even though this is 90% of what goes on here??? Am I the only one that sees the hypocrisy here?

This is simply a practical matter. We can define gender any way we want, but a simple function to detect what gender an avatar determines themselves to be, is ... not rude, not offensive and eminently practical.

I can only asume that Lindens don't want to do this because of the negative "sexy" publicity?

I would argue that it's hardly a "user created" world, if the most common things that users like to do are basically made off limits or crippled by the lack of any script functions to suport them. Scripts are like the "verbs" of this world and highly illuminative of what SL and Linden Labs actually are focussed on.

(hint: it's really all about the guns, like those other online games)

Not really, since the original question said:





And I agree with Eloise - I too would be annoyed if a script decided what pose I should use based on my gender. While that doesn't rule out the addition of such a function, I think a more user-friendly approach would be to ask the avatar whether they want to use the male/masculine or female/feminine pose/animation/option.

I'd agree with this if they also considered having a gender neutral option in "appearance". I'm fairly sure that since I despise gender stereotypes in my RL --that I would like them even less in my SL.

I don't supose that it is way to late to sugest it for the new 1.7 is it?? It would make so many things easier. Unless some linden knows about something we don't.

ok, you're right, I issed that one. I didn't mean to forget about that.

I don't beleve sit targets are adjustable with someone sitting on them. The poseball can be moved but you are back to multi-ball solutions. In the second part, what happens if both sitters choose the "female" option?

You might look at feature proposals because what you want sounds similar to what (I think) Hiro Pendragon is asking for.

It isn't very hard to make androgynous avatars, and since genitals have to be explicitly attached, we all start out pretty neutral. There would still be a checkmark in the male / female box in appearance but without llGetAvatarGender() or showing someone a screenshot, they have to judge by appearance.

You're right, it's probably not worth it. The second situation could be prevented by only asking the first sitter. But that's no different from me picking the pink or blue ball based on what I feel like doing.

I know that --my own avatar is rather androgynous -- what I'm talking about is this:

If avatar gender detection was possible by LSL code, then my AV would be placed in circumstances where she might have someone else's idea of gender "appropriate" behaviour enforced. While it's not a huge problem (only an annoyance), I would rather then --have the ability to check neither "male" or "female" in the appearance window.

Ah, I see what you mean, Kendra. Somehow I get the feeling that even if there were just a "neither" checkbox in appearance (which opens the whole issue of which default settings that would use) you'd see code like:

if (MALE) {
     llStartAnimation("male");
} else if (FEMALE) {
     llStartAnimation("female");
} else {
     llStartAnimation("male");
}

There are enough problems with adding a neuter setting, but I imagine that would lead to calls for hermaphrodite, transgender (pre and post), butch lesbian, femme lesbian, leatherman, sissyboy, asexual, machine, and supernatural spirit. It's becoming less mysterious why we have only male / female and no llGetAvatarGender().

It would be nice if the animations themselves were a bit more gender-neutral. Some furniture has animations that are way too effeminate for my tastes. If someone saw me sitting like that in real life they would probably assume I was doing it to be funny, and they'd be right.

Now, you can't change sit targets "live" - the avatar has to stand up and re-sit for that to take place - but you could have them click for a dialogue, and the dialogue could present them with some class of postures, like the two genders and maybe a third "neutral" or "unisex" one.

Really, you think it's all about the sex? Maybe I'm just weird or something, but I don't see SL as one big orgy. 90% seems to be an excessively large number.

I'd like you to go into more detail about the obscure reaches of gun creation. All the functions are quite general, there isn't any llMakeGun()...

But still, I think that this function might be nice. It would make things easier on roleplayers and their builds, because you could have robotic butlers or slavemasters or whatever that would respond appropriately. Let's try not to get thoroughly bogged down in the details... Hermaphrodites are exceedingly rare, and the rest of us are male or female. The Lindens seem averse enough to doing what we want as it is without us adding complexity.

Yeah, I was assuming at least three genders.

As a hermaphrodite, transgender, butch lesbian in RL I don't find it as necessary to experiment with that in SL

People born Intersex (Hermaphrodites as you call them) are not as rare as you think. We are 1 in 2,000. Far more common than albinos for example.

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i think this would be a woderfull addition... and whats all the same sex hubub,make 3 or 4 versions then just think of how many more 72 prim chairs you could sell