how to stop someone coming through a window from one side? (can I push someone 1m?)

Hi,

Is there a way to stop someone coming through a window from a particular side? My window is phamtom. I know how to detect when someone does come through from the side I don't way.

Is there a way to push them back 1m say? Perhaps the "llPushObject" might be the best way?

tks

see signiture quote.

consider switching the prim between volume detect and solid.

I think possibly the best way to achieve your goals is to leave your windows solid all the time and just have them turn phantom when you or your friends collide with them. If you want to really keep people off your land you can send them home if they collide with your windows and aren't on your specified list...

actually I did want to cater for the possibility of more than one person going through the object at the same time (should have said this earlier)

do you think llPushObject would be the only viable option then?

Using llPushObject on avatars is a reportable and suspendable offence.. Check Strifes signiture as he asked you to..

It is NOT a viable option.. Unless you want to be given a warning..

for the reasons that others have said, you might want to explore the options I said, as it seems to permit what you want (keeping others out and letting your friends in).

If I'm not mistaken, nowhere in all of SL is safe from intrusion*; one simply has to res a teleporter near the window and set the coordinates...

*of course, a parcel ban will kick people out, but they could still get in first.

Yes, good point Bertha..

I don't know why you're so worried about people coming in through the window specifically.. If you don't have ban/access list on your parcel, people can just Alt+Mouse into your house and sit on the floor, and walk about freely..

Complete Privacy = Private Island.

which then begs the philisophical question; why make a completely private area in a massively multiplayer interface? it's like having a chatroom in which only you can speak.

I wasn't really worried about intrusion, but more just some of the uses I had in minid (e.g. races, treasure hunts - where it would have been nice to have this facility).


Siro - I'll try your suggestion when I get a chance. I'm just not sure whether this would work quick enough to ensure that people on the other side trying to get through at the same time wouldn't be affected?


Thanks Zapoteth - I'm new and was already experimenting with this on myself. I assume from want you say even a 1m bump backwards is not allowed. BTW - I'm not sure what Strife meant by "check signature quote" - do you know what this refers to?

Thanks again

No llPushObject of any velocity used on avatars is not allowed..

A signiture is a few lines of text after all of your posts put there automatically.. You can turn them off in the user control panel so its possibly you have..

His is a quote form Lee Linden saying security scripts shouldn't use llPushObject, and to feel free to report abuse if you come across one that does..

If using llPushObject on an avatar is inappropriate and could result in an A/R in this/or similar situations, then I'd ask that the Linden example plane and motorcycle scripts (both by Andrew Linden) that can be found in the script library should be edited, as they contain code that pushes non-owners who attempt to drive the vehicle. Those are probably the first scripts that neophyte vehicle builders use in world (They were in my case at least).

They're a great jumping off point for new scripters and helped me a great deal, but would appear to be reinforcing the bad habits and exposing newbies to potential abuse reports.

Thats not really a security script..

They mainly just unsit an avatar, but more often than not, if you just unsit, you get stuck.. So it adds a push upwards.. Stife has a link and a quote in his signiture from Lee Linden..

I don't suppose it's possible to perform a "Go Here" via script on the avatar trying to go through the wrong way - it would then make him/her go to a point say 1m away?

Other than this I seems what I'm trying to do it not fully possible - probably best then to be content with offering an llSay warning if someone does go through the wrong way.

Tks

llPushObject on avatars is used by all kinds of legitimate applications: gravity lifts, antigravity rooms, space travel, ...

really? the question then is where is the clear cut 2nd life policy statement that clarifies this? (sorry - I'm asking this question without having had time to go looking myself yet)

I found this:

Jeska Linden: Blue Rosebud:How about limiting the use of certain scripts in areas and those who abuse this become instantly kicked out of the game for a certain period of time?
Exposition Linden: I'm not sure that we'd want to instantly kick people based on script functions, since llPushObject has lots of appropriate uses. However, in order to better enable games and other experiences,
Exposition Linden: we definitely need to provide more fine grained script controls.

Ref = http://history.secondserver.net/index.php/Town_Hall_5/26/05

Collision events are very fast and very spammy. Create a floor and output the detected avatar collisions to ownersay to see how it works. What you'll want to do is cause your windows to change from regular(non volumedetecting) to volumedetect(a prim status that allows things to pass through it like phantom, but sets off collision events). This way it senses everything that happens the entire way through. If a nonfriend tries to enter through the window while it's nonsolid, the window could be made to just use land functions to eject them from your land or send them home. You should also be able to differentiate between which avatar is which should more than 1 be coming through the window at once.

Now if you own your own island where ejecting someone from your land can prove impractical, I'd suggest just asking a linden if what you want to do is okay. Because it doesn't really sound like what you want to set up is what the people have been posting here regarding security scripts. I'm rather suprised people jumped all over you for this :/

edit: clarifications

Thanks Siro - this is a good idea - I'll do this - I'm assume I'll try to do this in-world via live help I suppose

When you use llPushObject on an avatar the user needs to have agreed to be pushed. Without that agreement, it is considered greifing.
The issue with security scripts: most of the time they push people who aren't aware of the security system or that its a restricted space. If they don't know, they haven't given consent, so use of llPushObject is not legitimate.

Using llPushObject to enforce rules in a game on the other hand is perfectly reasonable as long as the enforcement is fare, not overbearing and the users have some idea what the rules are.

A specific instance like a treasure hunt COULD be an example of using a push script on an avatar legitimately. I'd be inclined to warn the players that there will be push scripts in opertation and one or two other caveats, but as a temporary thing for an event you might get ARed but I suspect you'd get away with. I'd be inclined to add a warning message "You've been pushed as part of a treasure hunt, if you aren't participating I apologise, this push will be removed in less than a day" just to make sure people know why - that in combination with a gentle push is probably alright as it's a legitimate, minor and warned use. A 1m push doesn't seriously inconvenience anyone after all.

This is just my opinion but on a temporary thing like that something that's a minor inconvenience you'd probably get away with, even though it IS in a grey area.

Most legitimate push objects are things you choose to wear yourself. You know they're going to push (at least you have some idea) when you attach them. That might be the way to go in this. Wear a 'treasure hunter' badge that does the pushing if necessary - and again tell the participants it might happen to them in advance.

I agree.. I should have said without concent.. I apolagise..

This sounds interesting Eloise. Would the concept be that:
- to play to take a badge that I would have alread prepared
- when they fly through a hoop/window the wrong way, then before pushing I'd check to see if they are wearing this badge? How would you actually do this in LSL?

BTW - I showed my hoop/push script to Coffee Linden (thats Coffee) about 9 hours ago. He could see/understand. The outcomes were really (a) would recommend the consent re partipation in a game / obvious warnings re use of push and (b) its ultimately up to me if I want to put this in place.

Hmm, since things you're wearing can push you, I'd be inclined to have the badge do the pushing. Set the name of the objects ALL to something memorable - say Treasure Hunt Barrier, the badge fires off a short range sensor looking for things with that name (it won't care what shape and appearance they've got, and when it calculates an impact it pushes the person wearing the badge back. That way it will only push on the people in the treasure hunt.

thanks