Re-making a Wiki: The New LSL Portal

Ive been away for work.. Should be backon the conversion train soon.. hows it comming?

Thraxis, what do you think about the templates? Any ideas on how things should be changed?

This is the Regex needed to do a nice text replace in Scite for the old templates into the new (turn on backslashes and removed the spaces).
{{[^|]*|\(.*\)|func=ll\([^|]*\)\(.*\)|func_footnote=\([^|}]*\).*
{{LSL_Function\n|\1\n|func=ll\2|sort=\2\n\3\n|func_footnote\n|func_desc=\4\n|return_text\n|spec\n|caveats\n|constants\n|examples\n|helpers\n|also_functions\n|also_tests\n|also_events\n|also_articles\n|notes\n|permission\n|inventory\n|negative_index\n|cat1\n|cat2\n|cat3\n|cat4\n}}

I think the templates are quite good. That and the layout provide a nice consistant look needed for the LSL documentation.

is the option getting the old database from Catherine Omega from lslwiki.com still available?

if so, transferring all the data is a very simple database structure change or column renaming

The old data CAN NOT be put into the new Wiki. That is why we are doing this in the first place; rewriting and updating it so that all contributions are under a proper and verifiable open documentation license. The old wiki did not have such for most of the contributions.

As such, PLEASE do NOT copy/paste from the old wiki to the new one. It WILL be removed/edited. That has been specifically requested by LL, and that is their conditions of hosting the new Wiki.

Wow what a schpiel we've all gotten ourselves into. I applaud the effort to continue spreading our collective knowledge and history to more people. Unfortunately, I no longer have the time or energy to spend duplicating the contributions I have made to the original wiki on anyone else's wiki. I don't care if anyone uses my words or work (as long as source code contributions are attributed properly) to furnish their wiki. Its a great honor to have had such an influence that others would want to duplicate it.

Good luck!
==Chris

Now that it seems that the "official" wiki is up and running, what is the state of the 'mirroring' happening at the above sites? Are they just getting updated by the official site weekly, or do the changes to their pages get diff-ed and merged into a final version that's synched across all mirrored sites?

The "official" wiki is still being worked on. There's a lot of content missing from it still (I'm hoping to have time next week to knock out an article or thirty ). The "mirrors" in that list are of the "old" wiki, which is actually back up at http://www.lslwiki.net. There are no mirrors currently of the "official" wiki just yet, though I think they will start popping up as soon as it gets a little more completed.

I know I plan on hosting one.

Is the new Wiki site functional yet? I've been trying to access it for several days. (yes, I have done the firewall settings, etc.)

The connection has timed out
The server at wiki.secondlife.com is taking too long to respond.
* The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
moments.
* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.
* If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

Aye, it's been functional for a while now. Could have been some issues yesterday with the webserver that runs it. It looks like it is working now.

Do what you want, but I hope at least the revised and/or distilled contents of the old rpgstats.com LSL wiki makes it to the new offical wiki. I know it's work in progress, but the old one has so many examples and better descriptions than the new one, that (for now, of course) has just many one-phrase definitions. It's clearer: take for instance llGetRegionCorner page...
But don't take this wrong: I know the old one comes from a lot of work, and I'm confident the official will become as complete and useful as its predecessor, it's just a friendly hint that liked to point out.

(on a side note: if any admin for the old rpgstats.com wiki is reading, it badly needs some rollovers... in the latter days some buffoon spammer filled many pages with links to medicines online, ringtones and other crap)

I know that wiki.secondlife.com is open for changes, but frankly the structure of it does not appeal to me.

Are any of the "old" wikis being used to feed the other mirrors? When I make changes, I sort of spray them around to whatever one I happen to be in at the moment

lee

my mirror (cheesefactory.us/lslwm) is a copy of lslwiki.net that i update every 3 months

lslwiki.net is the original old lsl wiki and untill the new linden hosted wiki is more complete ill still use lslwiki.net as my source

Well, I think and hope the writers of the official wiki will be wise enough to do the same... there are many nice LSL wikis out there as I get it, full of useful contributions and examples, and picking where possible all that material to condense it in one central, official repository seems to me the right thing to do.
At the moment, I eat a balanced breakfast of official and rpgstats, so they compensate each other.

(BTW, I see the crap has been deleted and the pages rolled back, thanks to Phil Hanner... but looks like rpgstats needs some spambot protection, since it's already back in action)

I never know which wiki to use; having so many is really confusing.

Which one is the best?

(ducks)

I second that there is even a Wiki appearing inside LSLEditor! not sure of origin or completeness.
We need a lot of work doing so how about spending time updating the official one, LSL Portal, instead of writing more scripts. I would like to, but I am still a newbie although rapidly gaining confidence.

Have been out of touch for awhile and when I went to display the comments page for llTargetOmega look what I found at the bottom of the page:

Stoping rotation and setting to some default value in 1.15.0 (2):
When you check the rotation of object using llGetRot(), it is not affected by end-state caused by llTargetOmega() (although you can see the values in the edit form). Trying to llSetRot() to the same value does nothing (probably optimalization on server side). The trick is you have to set rotation to different value and then to the desired value.
llTargetOmega(<1.0, 0.0, 0.0>, 0.0, 0.0); // stop the rotation
llSetRot(<0.1, 0, 0, 1>; // some bogus value
llSetRot(<0.0, 0, 0, 1>; // desired rotation
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Security bug in the wiki or what? DO we need to log in to comment now or what?

Well, that new wiki sure didn't turn out as hoped. Nine months in and dead in the water. I'm glad you didn't violate any copyrights in the new wiki, too bad it is lacking... what do you call... completeness?

And no, this isn't necroposting for its own sake, its because the complete one is currently under what looks like a DoS attack, and whoops, no one is watching the old complete one, and the spiffy new one is worthless.

I want to thank all the new wiki makers for depriving the community of a community created resource. Thanks folks. Great job! Yeah, I know if I hadn't been so pessimistic in January... that's what got you all sidetracked, right?

Almost by definition, a Wiki is only as good as the community that builds it.

Step one, pick a read/write wiki.

Steps two thru infinity...Make small changes.

After a million small changes, we'll have something great.

So let me get this staight... you're bitching because the LSL scripting section at http://wiki.secondlife.com isn't active / complete enough for you.... But you had no intent to ever help it get filled out? And now you're also bitching because the site at http://www.lslwiki.net has no spam control and is under a supposed DDoS attack?

To the best of my knowledge there are exactly "THREE" lslwiki's

1. http://lslwiki.net/ - The "origional"
2. http://rpgstats.com/wiki/ - My MediaWiki port of lslwiki.net, origionally a test site. Filled in by hand and some conversion scripts from Google cached pages when lslWiki was down for a couple months...
3. http://wiki.secondlife.com - An LSL wiki on the official Second Life wiki

Of those three here is the status:

1. No need for an account to edit a page or post a comment, comment spam and edit spam, most recently again supposed to be under a DDoS

2. Most active content was Japanese conversions, Account needed to edit, ReCaptcha used for account creation. incomplete conversion to MediaWiki, some spam content left over from spam attacks during the early part of the year.

3. Requires an SL account to edit, Function information is in structured templates, no spam, no content imported from other wiki's unless by the origional author (example scripts, etc)

As for depriving the community of resources.. As most of the work at http://wiki.secondlife.com for the LSL portion was done by Strife, the conversion to rpgstats.com by Myself and Strife... and any edits to the data since then by the handfull of people who use it..

Not sure what you're blaming us for? I doubt our not working on lslWiki.net is the cause of their current problems. As Lee said.... if you want change... pick one or start one and get to editing.

Thanks for the helpful suggestion. Except I already did that and then someone decided that they could do a better wiki trashed all my work and the work of others and then fuxxored the job.

I don't want to write another wiki, thanks much. The old one was a pain in the ass as it was because we had to figure out how everything worked with no assistance at all. Whoever came up with this "gotta replace it" idea didn't do what they said they were going to do and did significant damage to a community resource instead.

I've got Osgeld Barmy's mirror of the old site now. I no longer care that someone's great intentions with no follow through blew it. Let Linden Lab document their own system this time. Oh they don't
"do" documentation, I forgot. Never mind, I can't imagine why I could possibly have a complaint. All is good and right in Lindenworld.

just giving an update on my thoughts, at the time of this post i found it to be abit of overkill, it was a short outage, and the old wiki has sustained, for the most part, for a significant amount of months

and during that time i found it to be growing pains after a large system shock

nowadays its being ignored, attacked and superleeched, which im a bad person about leeching it, but my comfort at night is the fact that i leech it and then use my resources so others can download my results

which helps against every random person from making oh 3 or 4 attempts before its right

what i would like to do is gain permissions to move the wiki to my site, which has been hosting lslwm 24/7 since summer of 06

more proactively im working on scripts to mirror the current lsl portal

Oh yes.. you're referring to http://www.lslwiki.org / sourceforge mirror .... the one that started by taking a dump of http://rpgstats.com/wiki/ as for it failing? I do believe the owner of that domain made the decision to dump it at re-direct to http://lslwiki.net when they came back again.

So again.. Not anything to do with any of the "new" wiki's

No Thraxis, they aren't talking about www.lslwiki.org. They are commenting on lslwiki.net.
It is back to pages loading slowly if at all. Comment pages filled with spam and porn links. The same site that was constantly bitched about for months and months and months.

wiki.secondlife.com may be your offical wiki but for the majority of us it isn't because of the LL decision not to allow a mass import of all of the data that was gathered over the years. After a year of pleading with Catherine to turn over control of the site to someone else, I too have given up on the wiki's and use Osgeld's.

So yes, it is totally ridiculous that we are still bitching about the wiki's after nearly 2 years and it is the fault of a couple of parties including LL.

I do totally understand both your's and Strife's contribution, dedication and sheer number of hours sacrificed for the new "official" wiki. Also understand it is not your fault LL made the decision it did. But I also don't doubt that everyone agrees that the outcome after all of this time should be something totally different then the choices we are stuck with.

Who trashed ANY work? It's all still out there, when lslwiki.net is up and not full of effin' spam.

I use both lslwiki.net and the official LSL_Portal. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Over time, I expect the LSL Portal to become more complete, and lslwiki.net will fall to the wayside as the wiki of choice as fewer and fewer people use it. It may take a while, but it will happen. It IS happening.



No one WANTED to replace it; it was the least of all evils, since it was beyond clear that lslwiki.net just wasn't able to be kept up. Now, it's full of porn spam which no one but the current owner can do anything about. The only one doing damage to the old wiki are the old wiki maintainers. Period. The fact that there are other wikis out there is irrelevant. That's the nature of the beast.



Typical statement of most armchair quarterbacks out there. They won't need to document it; as time goes on, the documentation will get completed. It will be more complete than lslwiki.net, it won't be down all the effin' time, and it won't have spam in it. All plusses in my book.