A view of the Cordova sandpit

Just a shot of the sandpit at Cordova from last night. The last week has seemed like there is more of this but I've only been here 5 weeks or so and can't speak from long experience. There is very little space on which to work, with blazing buildings and rubble everywhere, so I have searched out some quieter locations which I'd like to keep to myself.
Hovering the mouse over the destruction shows the same names on many prims. I was shot to another sim twice as well. Happy days.

It can be such a garbage dump at times. I like to put up signs there.

It looks to me like someone made a mansion physical and then unlinked it. If this is normal, I can suggest a good place to build in-game. It's a bit small, but I'm usually the only one there. Anyone that does join either leaves you alone or just asks a few simple questions. And they even have some good classes pretty often.

Where is this quite place you speak of?

and do you also know when the server will be up?? i've got a good idea of what to build but can't cause the servers are down..

At times? I've never once seen any public sandbox that wasn't a complete dump. I was lucky enough to tp in to one 10 minutes after a cleanup, and it was already showing signs of quickly becoming an unsightly dump.

yeah, I know all about that griefing going on there. Griefer groups like the Alliance Navy and the Federation have been known to hang out there. Apparently, somebody told me that the Federation (VERY original, these people *rolls eyes*) was "controlling" the Cordova sim. YEAH RIGHT! NOBODY except for the lindens can keep (although, considering the past few days, this might be erroneous) Second Life under control. Pack it up, AN, and leave the rest of us alone, and stop shooting people like Komachi!

When we were able to use push on objects in no-push areas it was possible to clean up such abandoned physical debris. I removed stuff that looked exactly like what you pictured using llPush.

I'm in Cordova now. It looks much the same as your picture , except the debris is just plywood shapes instead of a house turned physical.

Can't do it anymore; now the debris will stay there from time of abandonment until sim wipe time.

Well, one could make a bulldozer, but llPush was a lot more efficient.

They have added two sandbox sims, by the way, so maybe the debris will be spread out a bit more thinly for a while.

In the event folks are doing this without thinking of how it impairs the use of the sandboxes for other people, I hope they will get the idea - clean up your toys when you are done playing with them.

I suspect it may be more of a low key griefing.

I always make a platform to build on 100 m up it the air so i dont ever care

Actually, you CAN still use push, you just need to amplify the power of the push. Thats how I got rid of some Alliance Navy members one time in Goguen. They were criticizing my ship, which was at 600 meters high, by the way, and talking trash about how they were going to make sure "griefers like me" never bothered anybody. ok.....so why were THEY bothering ME? I simply used a scripted guided missile with high push on it that blew them a few sims away, then continued my work. I COULD have muted them, but the way they were talking, they might have started shooting me or something, and I did not need that. These littering-griefer type people have GOT to get themselves a hobby, like flower-arrangement or something.

There are many private sandboxes in the form of educational areas, sims where the owner is away for a while, stuff like that.

Asking around a bit can do wonders. Perhaps some folks who would like some traffic in their sim would post about some sandbox land they have, while it's still present?

I'd offer some in Caledon but we are simply too full right now.

So youre the one with the signs using the word "Wanker"?

It's unfortunate that the sandbox areas so swiftly become cluttered and almost unusable, generally only a couple of minutes following the clean-up, but it's inevitable.

On the other hand, the sandboxes can be both a rewarding and at times amusing place to build. I enjoy having people coming over and exploring my builds. Some of the comments have been quite flattering regarding my personalised avatar and builds, and additionally, I often find people willing to help out with problems drifting around the sandboxes, and willing to help.

Finally, as a commander in the Alliance Navy, I'd like to clear something up. The Alliance navy as a whole is NOT a griefer group. If ANY of you have suffered a griefing attack from someone wearing an Alliance Navy tag, contact Jordan Witherspoon, our JAG official, or myself, preferably with evidence, be it a log, or screenshots, and the matter will be dealt with, generally through the immediate expulsion of the offender from the group. We pride ourselves on being one of the few military groups with an extremely strict code of behaviour, and it worries me how often the groups name comes up with regards to griefing.

Please, swing by Tethys, come visit us (unarmed), and we will be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Aww shucks, thanks Bruno.

No problem, Komachi, just doing a public service, haha .

*sighs* The Alliance Navy....do I really have to explain this? I guess so...

You say that you are not a griefer group, and yet I have found by talking to quite a few people that you have a tendency to attack from safe sims and then move in after you have subdued whoever it is you are fighting. The Alien Invasion group complains that you put up recruiting posters around their base. What's up with that? Leave them alone. And The Army Task Force has informed me that you trained them and then shot them for no reason, and when the ATF refused to follow your rules in everything, you invaded their base! Now, I AM a member of the ATF, but I am not active. I am not really sure why I joined in the first place......but that doesnt mean that I think you should seem nice to everyone but then turn around and act just like those griefers who you apparently hate. As for your JAG division, I seriously doubt that would work, as not everyone has time to take a picture or anything before they are orbited or whatever else you do to your enemies. Furthermore, if you would like to continue this little discussion, I suggest starting it on another thread and talk it out like adults. Lets leave Komachi's thread to its topic: the messiness of Cordova.

so you are a griefer yourself? bad bad

well for the sandboxes, you get what you pay for hm?

actually kryrah, I am NOT a griefer, because I did not wish to annoy them in any way, I simply wanted to be left alone. Plus, that was only a one time thing. I don't go around shooting everybody I see. If it wasn't for the fact that my ship was in pieces that I was re-arranging, I would have packed it up and left to another sim. Such was not the case, however. You are entitled to your view, however, and I see where you are coming from. I personally do not think of myself as a griefer, and i never will.

People playing Soldier at a Sandbox (come on )
will not solve Problems.
A quick Autoreturn (like 1 hour) would help a little bit.
I spent a lot of time at Linden Sandboxes,
it seems like people rez their silly Creations
(200 prim sculptures, particle systems, houses, spaceships...)
again, right after the cleanup.
The Sandbox gets filled with useless stuff just like
the Owner of the objects gets payed for every rezzed prim.
The worst i've seen so far was a pile of hundreds of PHYSICAL beer cans.

YES!! Finally, someone who understands me! Why should anyone want to police a stupid sandbox in the first place? They never have any hope of detering griefers anyway. Speaking of ridiculous creations, I think the most rezzed objects are those stupid gigantic noob give-aways, like that one creation that looks like the robot sentinel thing from the Robocop movies. Question for everybody: What do you see at the sandboxes and what do you think is the most rezzed object in sandboxes?

I'll have to modify my stance on the Alliance Navy. I had previously been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but we recently observed a band of them running around on Cordova shooting and caging indescriminately. Apparently they've gotten so big that order in the ranks and any semblence of discipline is no longer possible, and they've got a griefer contingent. This moves them from the "trustworthy" category into the "untrustworthy" category, until they manage to clean house.

In practice, for a group this large this isn't possible, so at this point I have to consider them a griefer group.

If we choose not to fraternize or do business with members of this group, their membership will get the picture pretty fast, and they'll start leaving the group on their own.
Not that I'm calling for a boycott of their membership directly, because such calls never work either, but people should be aware of who they're dealing with, and that membership in this group is a black mark on a person's character.

I'm a bit of a lego freak and work in Cordova and Goguen frequently. I have no time for idiots and these so-called military goups but always try to make time for anyone who wants to 'talk shop' about building for a while. Yes, the gun-toting nitwits and bomb-throwers can be a nuisance, but I've yet to descend to their level and resort to using guns, shields, etc. This isn't as high-minded as it sounds, I just simply can't keep track of all those guns, shields and their confusing array of commands, so I dispensed with them in order to focus on building. When the going gets rough, I'll sit on a prim and keep going.

Yes, it can get quite hectic there some days, but it's always rewarding to meet and encourage new builders, share tips and pass on a few useful tools to help them on their way.

Yeah, same here. Some of my best friends I met while I was building, in fact. One of us complimented the other on our build, and we became friends. That, I believe, was the primary purpose of Second Life in the first place!

Very cool stuff!

http://alexanderhinkle.blogspot.com/

Success - the Federation Commanders have been disbanded, due in part to the public awareness and active participation of citizens in the AR program.

Remember, don't retaliate, because the Lindens simply don't have the time to work out who's the most guilty in "no angels" scenarios. Instead, file those abuse reports! They really do work, and the Lindens have been much more aggressive lately about following up on them.

Yes!! Well, thats one griefing group down, only about 100 more to go.. *sighs* progress does not always go quickly, but at least it's progress. Kalel is right, file ARs, and help battle the griefers.

Beer cans = awsome

Look what you've done, now I gotta spill my beans about this military group thing .
Military groups simply do not work - What are you defending? If there's trouble people simply ban you or complain to the Lindens. It's just another collage of outfits to help you look good while carrying a weapon.

As for the sandbox thing, I find that the ones that allow scripts are often cluttered with the most stuff that has nothing to do with scripting.

- Jolan