Are the "Spread Fingers" a "feature" now?

Just curious if anyone new if LL planed to fix the spread fingers in upload anytime soon, or are all the animations from here on out supposed to have either default relaxed or spread fingers? See as this has been broken for over 3 weeks didn't know if we're just s.o.l. and go ahead and release some gun poses with the fingers spread wide and the guns "stuck" to the palm?

Well, if you can afford to wait another year to release your stuff, you can wait. As lame as it is, I don't think you can realistically expect LL to fix it any time soon.

FWIW, I am also wishing to release products that make heavy use of animations, and am finding that I have spent lots of money on upload fees to have things "superglued" to the av's hands

Torley told me last week that this bug is listed as critical and is scheduled to be fixed 'soon'

I have things that have been waiting since August to upload once this gets fixed.

This bug has been acknowledged by the Lindens and is now listed in the "Known Issues" database as "critical".

http://secondlife.com/support/known-issues.php

Thanks for the responses. I was just curious, cause I personally know a lot of people who have reported, whined and cryed, begged and pleaded to no avail.

By no means makeing fun of you Zi, and thanks for the info btw, but ahhhhh, CRITICAL?!
ROFLMAO So what does that mean, anything at all?!?!?

How long does a very basic feature, probably at the base of the entire frickin game, take to get fixed.

I didn't say anything the first couple of weeks, but now seeing other things like, some Friends list crap you can do now, take presidence?!?!? Don't know how I ever earned a buck without friends list stuff, thank God for that friends list, who would want to close thier hands when they can play around with thier new Friends list features?!?


I wonder if I were, let's say, uhhhhh, Sony, Toyota, American Apperal, even a Presidential canidate, I wonder if they would fix it then?! Nice that now they have these billion dollar conglomerates in the game they kinda figure, oh well, bunk the little people trying to make a living who consequently uhhh, MADE SL what it is, uhh wayyyy before you got in the news and all the bigwigs in thier butt!! Your welcome Linden, and I'll thank you for all the animators out there that you are screwing over right now.

Matter of fact why don't we go to San Fran, and break thier tools and leave it fubar'd for a couple of months and see how they pay the rent?! And keep hiding behind this little clause you think you got about how LL is not responsible for your loses!!!

Might not be as hard as you might think in a class action law suit to see how LL promoted the game as a way to make money, braggin when they can about how much Anshe makes, some lawyer quitting his job, virtual reality and real money blah blah blah?!?
Yeah, lull people into the game, they make a little money, and you break the tools and leave em broke, knowing that they are broken and preventing people from doing a basic task, which they have been doing from the beginning, of which it can be resonable expected that the company has full knowledge of the possible financial impact to the residence who utilize this feature to earn money?!?! Yeah something along thoses lines, basically your screwing us and you damn well know it but you'd rather not do anything!!
If you had told us, we're going to break this and leave it broke for a while so you may want to find alternative income in the meantime?! Hmmmm I missed that IM?!?!

What they need is REAL compitition, they're sitting pretty at the top right now, gettin polished by everyone, some compitition might be a crack to the knee of such a high horse, unfortunately that doesn't seem to close on the horizon, oh well.
Enough crying, for now Any suggestions, besides being a multi million dollar company, to possible get these people to expidite?!

BTW, I love how they just keep feedin poor Torley the same line of crap to tell us, poor Torley can't fix it, and someone else over there should grow some balls and quit using Torley as a laison shield!!!!

I really hope you aren't adopting that tone with LL directly. They definitely won't want to help you if you start shouting accusations at them.

No problem, I don't take it personally

But I am very surprised myself that an animation bug is filed under "critical". I'd love to see it fixed, too, but IMO it's not really "critical".

Normal I wouldn't probably think much of it either, but since I do mostly gun poses, and comic action, most comic people punch other people, Hulk's about the only on who'll slap you to death, it is preventing me from putting out new poses. Now that being my main source of income, and for others as well, like to the point of paying your rent and feeding your children, you can quickly realize the impact, and uhhh, Linden Labs knows exactly what kind of impact that would have on an independent artist!!!!!

Bottom line, it's been over a month now, checks are bouncing like J-Lo's badunkadunk, and it's a weee past time to fix it, and all will be happy......................
Until next update had to throw that in.

Can't say I entirely noticed this but now that you brought it to my attention I can nod in aggreeance and pretend I know what I am talking about being as I know nothing of making animations. And no offense Jonny but the amount of time you spend offline due to downtime should have been your "IM" to find an alternate source of income. I only get to play when I am not doing RL work and when I get that chance SL is always down. They should honestly just change the name of the game to Sl Forums since we all seem to come here to bitch about everything anyhow.

Seeing as how I haven't posted in like a year I understand everyones "I'm bitching" attitude. It's all good because apearently your not being financially impacted to the same extent that I am so I don't really expect you to understand. No problem



Uhhh, and what else has work to this point? Bug reports, live help, Torley?!?!?!
That's kinda what I thought.

LOL no problem, no tone, just make free "Spread hand features" poses and hand em out at the welcome center to all the new residence, since I didn't see anything on the main site about it and probably free gloves with "stickum" or "velcro" so it makes more sense when your guns are stuck to spread fingers

I'm sure you don't mind buying an AO where every move has the hands wide open, I'll make one especially for those who are into that



And this isn't personal Morganna, Seeing as how you admitedly "know nothing of making animations" let me help you out a tad. It takes a lot of "offline" time to do poses and animation, in Poser, which is what I use. So during off line time that's exactly what I do, as well as prepare the graphics, file manage blah blah blah..., which at one point was logically benifical because when it came back up I had new poses to sell, ads to post etc..

Trust me I, as well as many others have been looking for an alterative. I think everyone is taking the compitition thing as personal and it's not, it the way things work. OK, Would Coke be what it is if there was no Pepsi?! Seriously think about it and then you may start to understand that rationale. Lightwave 3D package could have been considered in the same spot, slow to fix things, some of thier own people left, then with Maya came serious comp and all of a suddden Newtek to a new interest in keeping thier package up to par, ya dig?

"I only get to play when I am not doing RL work and when I get that chance SL is always down."

So you don't mind me breaking on of your main tools at your RL job so that you can't continue to earn money?!?!

If you hadn't noticed this is my RL work And an excellent oppertunity for any 3d animator, or creative, entrepeurnurial type!!! And i for one have sung some of the loudest praises for such an innovative and groundbreaking platform. Yet I am not rich, Anshe and the like are EXTREMELLY rare, not saying she's rich either but her financial success has been a main selling point for SL for some time, wether they directly use it as such or not, so keep it down, so when my work, my passion, and my lively hood is threatened by something that is seemingly basic, and not acted on in over a month there's few options so I am generally inquiring to when it'll be fixed so we, as far as closing our hands, can get back to the fun!!!

And reguardless of the points of view thanks to everyone for thier input, this is what it's about, not just to bitch and moan. And seeing as it IS "Critical" now, not sure what that means but at least it "sounds" like progress yes I'm being a bit sarcastic, thanks to all.

Actually no that sort of yelling only annoys people. No one is going to go, 'gosh that Jonny Dusk is so upset we'd better fix this quicker.' I'm sorry, the world just doesn't work like that because you are dealing with humans who are naturally defensive.

Actually, Torley has helped. Many bug reports were submitted, but of course nothing happened. Emails to Torley helped him push the point onto the animation lindens, which then made it on the critical list. He also helped push for a fix on the big animation bug in December.

Many of us have moved on to different projects, I am certain that you can to. If not, you have no reason to be complaining so much because that part is your fault. Adaption is the way of life.

....Omg you mean we might get another finger too?...i would love to have 11 fingers and 19 toes that would be awsome!

I strongly believe it's these spread fingers that accidently drop all the missing inventory items. But that's just my opinion.

Uhm... sorry, Damien, but this one is too good to pass on it... 11 fingers and 19 toes? What for?!? To be able to count to 30?
Again, sorry for this nonsense

It's a vanity thing. Sort of like how people put wings on their avatars.

Yes, the "spread fingers" thing IS a bug and it's of high priority for us to fix. We have an open issue on it and I'm also going to include this thread so we totally have you on the record as being affected by this. So sorry it continues to annoy you, I will ask again about it... :\

It's also currently listed on Support: Known Issues near the very top.

I don't know you personally Luth, I don't see you adding much here too the question of them fixing the thing, just a counter attack that I should be moving on to other pojects?!?!

Sure noone cares that I'm upset, I already know that kiddo, it's been made painfully obvious since the this stuffs been screwed for quite some time now, so that's not news, but that comments seems a little unnessecarry considering tha very next statement is "Actually, Torley has helped. Many bug reports were submitted, but of course nothing happened.?!?!

If you like to put out poses with your fingers spread, that's totally up to you, and totally your business. Implying it's my fault that I haven't just said , "oh well, it doesn't work, I'll just become a scripter or something"?!?!? Just curious as to who are you to tell others that they should move on to something else just because LL dosn't want to fix something?!?!!?

I think we're all forgetting here, uhh, I didn't break the damned fingers!!!!!

Out of curiosity I wondered what other projects I should move onto that require animations and poses with the fingers spread?!?! I wanna see whoevers gun poses, sword, fighting or other such type of poses with thiers hands spread or relaxed?!?

OK then, since I'm such a bad guy for wanting to do something that I used to be able to do, seeing as everyone thinks it's perfectly fine for LL to let the tools you use to earn a living just "stop working", I guess the question should be "How LONG do you allow something to go broken and unattended to before you're allowed to voice you discontent for the situation." Trust me, and I thought hard before even posting here, next time I won't say a word, we'll all just keep on taking it

Again thanks to all for the input. I've seen it addressed and I didn't mean it imply that Torley or the like aren't nessecarilly tryin.

Anyway, it's addressed, we'll see how long it takes now. Like I said normanlly I'm a pretty easy going guy but this is quite disruptive to what I do, even if the whole rest of SL wants to just "move on to other projects"!!!

[UPDATE] I have good news. This has *just* been fixed internally by Richard Linden. *cheers* Quality Assurance testing remains to be done I think. So watch out for it to appear soon -- tentatively, it should be in the next regular release of Second Life (1.12.3) if all goes well.

Torley, we have no real idea when this will appear, and in the meantime many of us would like to remain busy creating animations....

Could you please find out for us whether *existing* animations will be fixed that we create today? Or whether we will need to spend thousands more in upload fees to fix the existing anims?

Thank you very much for the update, it is appreciated

That's great news
I'll wait a little with my centaur avatar project then. I was about to release it with some outstretched hand animations. But if the answer to Takuan's question is that existing animations will be fixed, that'd be even better.

Sorry, I could not resist poking some humor at this. ^_^

First I would like to PERSONNALY thank Torley for all the effort, especially taking the time to come over here to my little "B&M" session I got goning on here. LOL

A quick point to help others realize, maybe, I'm not just the mindless crybaby troll some of you may think I am. I felt this a very viable subject considering the length of time it's been a problem, and by some others responses, impactfull to not only my bussiness affairs but others as well. I hope noone has taken anything I've said personal, but there is a method to the madness. Being brought up in a "regular" forum gives it more visability then in the "known bugs" simply because, I for one don't just paruse the known bugs for fun. This has also allowed, say Torley, or someone, to say "it's getting a little more public, do we want to let this get outta control, when it seems like something we may wanna fix for those residence that help add animation content to our experience?"

Again TY "T"baby!!!



Now were talking
Good question Takuan, I for one have an entirely new AO on hold and some poses and wondering the exact same thing?!

*** Just a note, may or may not help? I've tested every hand postion with every priority and the tow options you get are our famous spread fingers OR "relaxed"!!!

This relaxed simply means DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING as far as hands and SL can give them the default relaxed. This should enable some of us to still create certain types of poses, i.e. Modeling type. Action and gun stuff, probably no.



ROFLMAO who's image is this LOL, *is there a t shirt somewhere LOL

Seriously, thank you all who have responded, and to Linden someone? for hopefully listening, and correcting

Google Images, search for 'spread fingers', it's right on the front page.

Anybody know if the "hip Bug " is on the list at all for repair?