Another ad farm rant....

I am a hardcore libertarian. And no, I would have no grounds to sue, unless they caused me actual physical harm. Property resale values are a myth. Property is always only worth what the market will pay for it. Laws cannot change this, see the current bursting housing bubble.
The billboard owner is in no way using force or fraud against me. But on the other hand if I were to get the government to do "something" I would be using force against them. It is wrong for me to stick a gun in their face and require them to move it. It is also wrong for me to get together with 51% or 99% of my neighbors and hire someone else to stick a gun in their face to make them move it. That is what it all comes down to, ALL laws in RL are based on force and violence. So the question is, do you support killing the owners of the billboard?

no 16m2 plots are worthless lol. at the very least they sell at market rate. all that your doing is moving the problem to someone elses land. the ad farmers sell em at cost (at the very least) and move on to carve up someoen elses land

Killing the owners??


Good lord! What do you take us for?
Get a grip puhleeeeease!




Killing is too quick.
Let's keep them just alive enough so that they can feel the continuous torture.




Ad farms are legal. i.e. there is no law against them.
This isn't the same thing as saying that ad farms are good in any way.

Ad farmers are SL parasites. They despoil other people's neighbourhoods in pursuit of the dollar.
I won't buy anything that I see advertised on ad farms - in the same way that I won't buy anything that is spamvertised in email.
Google for the Boulder Pledge and/or jump straight to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulder_Pledge

Anyone who buys products advertised in ad farms is supporting the spread of ad farms.
Boycott the advertisers. Ad farms only exist because people are willing to use them to advertise their products.

I was responding to her comparing this to RL, in RL all laws are based on the threat of death if you do not obey them.

As for Ad farms in SL, boycotts are a perfect solution.

I hate haters

Last I heard, huge prims are tolerated on the mainland, just not supported by LL, and of course subject to removal if they encroach on others' property or otherwise cause disruption. And in this case you wouldn't be rezzing anything on them.

I tend to take the same view here. Government is a tool that should be used sparingly.The Billborad may be objectionable, but if it's presence and/or content is in no violation of any law or ordinance, there isn't much to be done at a governmental level. You can do what you can to block the sight, plant trees, put up a wall etc. You can organize the neighbors to ask the owner to move it, you can refuse to patronize the establishment advertised.And you can lobby to have the ordinance changed throught channels.. In SL terms, the best suggestions have been made.....use tools already on hand to hide the eyesore, don't patronize the business (which is what I do) and lobby to make these things illegal.

Or Get Over It And Go Live On An Island

That's pretty much what I did.

I might when I can afford to buy one...Till then I have land I have bought and paid for on the mainland. Why should I be forced to sell when I was there long before the ad farms.

Because then Stylee can buy your land and chop it up into nice little ad plots for him to sell.

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Well, the roadside of my region has become ad farm haven. Glad I live on the other side. It's so chopped up on the other side that you don't know where one region ends and the other one starts. I bought a few for 250L and put up walls, so the interior is worthless. I see Mr. 16 sq m on this thread has one also.

Can't wait to get my island Thinking of all the money I will be saving (no more premium membership) and the end of 16 sqm eyesores.

I think the best way to do it is not allow them to cut up smaller than 128 sq m unless they own at least 512 sq m lot on that region and have to maintain that. that will prevent them from buying a 512 and cutting it up. It still could happen is they both a 1024, but at least 512 sq m has to stay intact. That would stop these ad farms, but would make it a pain for them to keep having to buy additional 512 sq m lots just to make smaller than 128 sq m lots to sell.

... but don't forget that you'll be paying US$ 100 per month more than you would if you'd buy a mainland region. What's the premium membership fee (minus the stipend) against that?

That's US$ 1,200 per year! Hmm ...

Aw, Stylee, I don't hate you, I just hate the whole land cutting thing. You're probably at least a half-decent sort of person other than that.

It would be a lovely day if there ever came a time when land cutters would agree to leave certain areas alone for other mainland residents to enjoy. Not everyone wants to give up on mainland and move to an island. But I don't think that day will ever come with the me-first attitude that pervades SL.

Actually, I'm talking about an Island, not mainland sim. Keep 1/4 sim for myself and rent out the other 3/4. It won't be much profit if any, but should pay for itself. and don't have to pay a premium membership fee. I've already done the math and already have 7 renters waiting who are friends, so it should be nice.

It's an eyesore, but it's not good to deal with terrorists. You enable them to keep on doing this crap. I don't feed terrorists. I just block them where I can.

People should be able to do what ever they want on their own land. However I think the people at Linden Labs are fully aware of the blight some of these as farms have caused which means more and more people will purchase their own regions and islands to get away from mainland crap.

The issue that RL companies taking ads out on banners that annoy people is that it has a big negative impact on them in the Real world. The ad farmers of course are going to say how great their traffic is and the stupid RL execs have their heads so far up their asses that they have convinced themselves that it is a great thing. There are many RL companies in SL that don't partcipate in supporting ad farm use here because they ARE AWARE of the negative RL impact these signs have.

I have an 32m2 sign smack in the middle of my parcel. I have asked the gentleman to swap to a closer space to me on the road and he basically said to me... "in SL you pay for the land... not the view". This is the kind of mentality RL companies are partnering up with. The sign is completely useless now, because HE doesn't have a view.

Linden Labs has allowed main land sims to get turned into crap holes because of pure greed on their part. The more crapped up mainland sims, the more people buying private sims or private islands.

Some will argue that an ad farm is not anymore worse to the eye that a crappy build. I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ... and please don't get me wrong. I have to tip my hats to the ad farmers for working the system to their advantage.

awww thanks Annabelle, you seem like a decent person too

anyways i honestly very rarely chop up land to make 16s. as ive said many times. id only chop bits of land next to 16s already there, as im not effecting anyones property values any more then they are already.

Not everyone wants to shell out cash every month from they're normal paychecks to pay tier etc. I'd be willing to bet that anyone who is utilizing the small plots for ad space (or renting prim space on larger plots, same freakin thing) are gonna stick around SL longer than most "home owning", monthly paying resident. SL is expensive, if you want to own land. Many people would rather not be premium for that reason. I dare not say "take away the earnings of the adverts and SL will sink" but, I will say, LL would lose a fair chunk of monthly revenue. Although I am partially to "blame" (depending on your viewpoint) being that I personally use small lots to host my ad machine across the grid, I want to note that not everyone (such as myself) purely exploits the situation. I offer a free product for anyone interested and many people (especially noobz) appreciate my offering. While many people charge money for products, I can afford to give my products away for free; Simply because I use the ~16m2AdLot structure. I purchase the lots cheap and set them to (reasonable) prices, as not to extort. Meanwhile, my ad gains exposure untill someone purchases the land. The small markup covers both my time spent searching the "good spots" as well as tier and the loss of exposure of my ad. I must sympathise with the majority here because I don't appreciate a 512 (and larger) carved up into full 16m2's and for thoes who may have noticed; I personally attempt to only buy lots that are either single 16m2's or smaller "ad zones". The sine pharms will lessen in time; As soon as people realize that the large crowded ad areas are mostly ignored they will have to switch up gears and focus on key placement and unambiguous concepts.

Just my 2L

Tre

A quick question,lets say a person has put up a huge unattractive billboard stack advertising a place that has,oh lets say,carnival rides,which he charges $L10 a ride and say you have a LM for a place that has those exact same rides but they are free to enjoy,would it be against the TOS to place a billboard on your land next to this eye sore billboard letting people know that there is an alternative to paying $L10 a ride and providing a LM to this place?

Way to go Tread. !!!!

As I understand it there is nothing in the TOS against free trade.

Actually you are mistaken.

Property is certainly worth what the market will pay for it. (this is what the property resale value is)

By putting a giant ad in the middle of someone else's property, you drive down what the market will pay for it.

What the billboard owner is doing is essentially extortion, forcing you to buy the land that he has for an exorbidant price and threatening you with an enormous ad which will drive down your property values (destroying what you have created).

It is not wrong for you to get together with 51% or 99% of your neighbors and hire someone to point a gun in their face and make them move it. These are called community standards.

At this point in your arguement you slide off into the bizzare and paranoid. Laws are enforced by threat of death or injury (when you are arrested, for example), they are not based on these threats. In RL, laws are based on fines and penalties. In SL, the equivalent would be banning or a stiff monetary fine.

I hope you were being sarcastic but I fear that you were not.

An adequate solution to this problem would be a system of community councils and land zoning. Commerical and Residential respectively.

The other option would be to buy from a reputable island which already has these types of standards enforced.

Even the prohibition on jaywalking? [GULP] /me looks nervously round for the hangman before strolling diagonally across the road.

Update: /me gets hit by a speeding car and with her last breath gasps "Chris was ... right".

Seriously - was that a typo of some kind?

I have a mega-dumb question...

Has anyone ever done a study to show that advertising on an ad farm actually WORKS? Like, counted the number of TPs into a business (like the LL Classifieds do) because of a click on the advert? That would make a good project for a marketing student.