A love of unverified.
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Seola Sassoon
NCD owner
Join date: 13 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,036
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10-09-2006 12:24
From: Nakita Pawpaw hi im new and yet unvarifed. tho thinking on not to get free linden or get into sims or locations that are to scared they will only let u in if u can have a credit card tho u can use someone else's ?....but to stop the agresstion i face when trying to explore sl and make friends deciding wether or not i like the game enough to join up completly. sl is from what ive seen an amazing place and is let down buy its jugemental attitude on other users. greefing will always accure and i can understand the feeling layed out here but its a very scary place to be if ur a unverified acount just looking round.and to be honist im a lil concerd about giveing out my personal credit details even if im not charged what if the data base is hacked from the stability of the game i wonder how safe it is. its a simple case or a few spoiling it for the rest, but how do these new acounts know how to do what they do i can just about make a box lol. i did wonder if theres another way to get verified that does not need a credit of an acount noe details like a phone call to linden labs witch i would gladly do. anyways im just rambeling dont mine the noobi lol xxx Sure, griefing will always occur, but not on a mass exodus daily scale as it is. You can also use paypal or a cell phone, last time I checked. I'm surprised you are facing that much aggresion in SL. Most I've come across love it and have been treated fairly well. Most of the time, the griefers will just drop and run, and not chat. I think you might be overexaggerating a bit on the scary part. Every place I've been to, and go to and those I've talked to, don't mind the nice unverifieds. Like I said, the ones that come in and talk to you, aren't the griefers usually.
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Matti Deigan
a Walk on a Minefield
Join date: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 13
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10-09-2006 13:36
For the past 68 days, ive been playing on my unvertified account. (I'm going basic as soon this mess clears up, and a resolution is come upon) Yes, lately I've seen the DoS attacks be a very large nuisance to the community of SL. Basically I spend my days Reporting Abuses (which ive done atleast 3 times a week) Building, scripting, making friends, Being a live statue infront of Waterhead, and hanging out in my favorite places. What im going to propose is radical, (uprightly ridiculous) and is most likely going to be rejected by all of you. I have a theory, What if, there is a group of anti-unvertify people ever since "The day when the flood gates of hell were opened" (06/06/06 opening of Unvertified accounts(sp?)), which are terrorising the World of SL by using unvertified accounts inorder to shut down unvertified account flow? Call me crazy, but there is a small probability to that. Sorry if that offended anyone in particular who is very radical anti-unvertify. Have you noticed that these griefers, which initiate grid attacks seem to already know much about the game. I mean come on, even thought the LSL2 Code is close to Java and C++ Programming languages, you still have to spend time on it inorder for it to work. So its hard to know if they already have SL accounts in which they pay, already. I've read some of the articles by the LLabs, in which they claim that there hasn't been any increase in Attacks such as these. Then again, I wasnt here since the Begining, so i wouldnt know if this was true or not. But there could be a temporary fix up for this, Sim/lands owners could hire trusted people (yes, you have the right to be suspicious of the unvertified accounts) To act as Secuirty on sims. by what i mean is small-time admins with the right to eject/ban people or during an emergency such as this, be able to turn off scripts thru out a sim/land. Ofcourse this may cause more abuse, and can be slightly costly but, could be a small time fix, to this great problem. Now you can shoot at me 
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Winter Ventura
Eclectic Randomness
Join date: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 2,579
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10-09-2006 13:53
You know.. I had the EXACT same thought, but didn't know where to post it, now you've given me an excuse to. From: someone Senator Palpatine (Darth Sidious), in a bid to one day rule the known galaxy, secretly funds and organizes a splinter group, and engineers a war between the Republic (of which he is a senator) and this faction group (The Trade Federation). By equipping the Trade Federation with countless battle droids, he thereby creates a need within the Republic to have it's own army... of clones. The Republic, in a swell of support for the Senator's great ideas and leadership, elect him to the office of President, where he uses that power to declare martial law and reorganize the Republic into an empire. The army of clones, having easily dispatched the droid armies of the Trade Federation (and the Jedi, the only real threat to his plan) now enforce "Emperor Palpatine's" will as he now takes his seat at the head of the galactic empire. What does this have to do with anything? There is a large, vocal, and hateful group, opposed to unverified accounts. Since unverified accounts, are by nature, unverified.. I postulate that it is not only possible, but likely, that these grid attacks may be in fact being organized and executed by some of the very same people who are opposed to unverified accounts, in an effort to "prove their point" they actually generate the doomsday scenario they prophesied. (like hiring a hitman to shoot-at-and-miss at a presidential candidate in order to improve his public ranking through sympathy and outrage). We have seen this recently with griefers to the forums.. arguing with their own alt accounts.. in order to "stir the pot" and get controvery flowing. We've seen posts about same sex partnerships and just about every controversial topic under the sun. Put simply.. The purpose of greifing is to aggravate people. And it's working.
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Seola Sassoon
NCD owner
Join date: 13 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,036
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10-09-2006 14:23
From: Matti Deigan But there could be a temporary fix up for this, Sim/lands owners could hire trusted people (yes, you have the right to be suspicious of the unvertified accounts) To act as Secuirty on sims. by what i mean is small-time admins with the right to eject/ban people or during an emergency such as this, be able to turn off scripts thru out a sim/land. Ofcourse this may cause more abuse, and can be slightly costly but, could be a small time fix, to this great problem. Now you can shoot at me  Many places have that, including the club I work at. Unfortunately, banning and returning doesn't work. Banning the people, still can create alts and on the mainland, they can slide prims over to the banned land anyways. Being able to return, means catching the object, and hope it doesn't replicate. Same with returning on auto, smallest time is 1 minute for auto return and if it's set to replicate every 2 seconds, you'd have a minimum of 30 of the first object only replicates, not to mention the replication of the replicators. Turning off scripts wouldn't be viable, that means restricting vendors, animation overrides, chimera's, dance machines, etc.
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Matti Deigan
a Walk on a Minefield
Join date: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 13
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10-09-2006 14:30
From: Seola Sassoon Turning off scripts wouldn't be viable, that means restricting vendors, animation overrides, chimera's, dance machines, etc. I do know that, but which would come first, the stopping of a great massive grid attack, or the businesses? if the grid attacks are allowed to continue (past the sim), you'll have close the Businesses, vendors, AO's, dance machines etc for a day or two as linden close down logins to god only anyway. If all sims would do something like this, linden's would do their clean up much faster as there are less objects/replicators to clean up. There is the reason behind why i said "emergency script shut down".
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Seola Sassoon
NCD owner
Join date: 13 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,036
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10-09-2006 14:34
From: Matti Deigan I do Know that, but which would come first, the stopping of a great massive grid attack, or the businesses? if the grid attacks are allowed to continue (past the sim), you'll have close the Businesses for a day or two as linden close down logins to god only, anyway. If all sims would do something like this, linden's would do their clean up much faster as there are less objects/replicators to clean up. There is the reason i say "emergency script shut down". This means the businesses can't sell anyways, or do the volume anyways, so it's a lose-lose for them. You'd be asking hundreds of people to come online and shut scripts down voluntarily, whether or not it might affect them. Most sim owners barely even log on once a week, let alone deal with this day to day. And technically, LL isn't having issues tracking this, they can easily see where the problem is. It should lie with them to isolate it, and deal with it. Secondly, you wouldn't be closing the business for a day or two, when it doesn't affect that particular sim. It would only be down at Linden discretion. Basically what you are asking is what LL did last night... shut off scripts. Still didn't help much for several hours.
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Matti Deigan
a Walk on a Minefield
Join date: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 13
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10-09-2006 14:39
From: Seola Sassoon This means the businesses can't sell anyways, or do the volume anyways, so it's a lose-lose for them.
You'd be asking hundreds of people to come online and shut scripts down voluntarily, whether or not it might affect them. Most sim owners barely even log on once a week, let alone deal with this day to day. And technically, LL isn't having issues tracking this, they can easily see where the problem is. It should lie with them to isolate it, and deal with it. Secondly, you wouldn't be closing the business for a day or two, when it doesn't affect that particular sim. It would only be down at Linden discretion.
Basically what you are asking is what LL did last night... shut off scripts. Still didn't help much for several hours. Hmm you have a good point there.
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Seola Sassoon
NCD owner
Join date: 13 Dec 2005
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10-09-2006 14:42
From: Paneia Deharo Well, I was kind of hoping this thread would turn into more of a "We are newbies and are here because of unverified" but ... oh well. I've been searching through the forums for about an hour and 99% of posts are "Return to the old ways" and each and every person gives, from what I can see, damn good reasons. Well, thats it. End of thread. I've been proven wrong. Lock this bad boy. Actually, a light bulb just went on. They can't post here. LL doesn't allow ANY forum access to unverifieds. Kinda ironic, isn't it? They don't want them on forums (that wouldn't hurt businesses, or crash the grid), but they'll let them in with total permissions in world.....
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Matti Deigan
a Walk on a Minefield
Join date: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 13
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10-09-2006 15:05
From: Seola Sassoon They can't post here. LL doesn't allow ANY forum access to unverifieds. Kinda ironic, isn't it? They don't want them on forums (that wouldn't hurt businesses, or crash the grid), but they'll let them in with total permissions in world.....
Hmm? was this a suggestion, or what they are doing right now? I'm one of the unverified. unless I'm getting this wrong, unverified means hasnt verified a credit card/paypal etc. account right?. (which i haven't done so far, but will after a month) So how come I'm able to access here then?
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Seola Sassoon
NCD owner
Join date: 13 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,036
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10-09-2006 15:28
Well, it *was* like that, it had to have changed REAL recently, as in the last several days. That was my understanding.
ETA: There was a post here just recently about them night being able to post.
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