When do you cut loose from a losing game?

What baffles me is I specifically remember, like a year or two ago, on a fresh install of SL having a "duh!" moment because I'd forgotten to allow mature locations in search, and couldn't find a skin shop. It was defaulted to *off* back then. I am 100% sure it was.

I set our island to PG a few weeks back anyway, because I thought that was how it worked and was worried we were all missing out on some searches. And now it is. o.O

Jopsy - I am thinking more along the lines of this:

Keep the M and PG ratings on the regions themselves, Mature stuff goes in Mature regions as usual. But add a "Mature" checkbox to the parcel level as well.. since in practice we know that people don't necessarily use a Mature area for Mature content - in coco's case, it's PG - I'm sure this is the case with many other businesses. They would just un-check the Mature checkbox on their land, and it would appear in PG only searches. Maybe with a flag that warns this PG area is within a mature region. I'm not suggesting that parcels in PG areas should be allowed to hold mature content, just the ability to turn off the Mature setting on parcels in Mature regions which really are PG.

For the record, I dislike the use of PG and Mature as a rating system. I'd prefer Mature be replaced with "Explicit" or something to that effect, so that there is less ambiguity.

Note to Land Barons:

BUY PG LAND NOW!!!!

There probably is some truth in that. In the beginning you go checking out the sex shops and clubs, out of curiosity. Most people stop soon enough, but I'd imagine a lot still engage in some sexplay through one on one private relationships, so some industry to service that would still be viable

There has to be a happy medium somehwere; Those that don't want it in their face and those that wish to enjoy it as they see fit.

I favor abolishing the term "PG" entirely... replace it with "Worksafe" seeing as how the term seems to be gaining in usage rapidly for email and websites.

Whether a "worksafe" parcel surrounded by "non-worksafe" parcels counts as one or the other... hard to say.

Whatever system of content classification comes about (if any other than what we have)... it should be both simple and effective, no? PG in M sounds contradictory and will certainly lead to mis-interpretation issues.

I dunno. Depends on how you look at it. Currently, in a Mature region, you have the option, but not an obligation, to place "mature" content, or engage in "mature" activities with various "wish it was this big in real life" prim accessories.

I should think that for the purpose of search>places, one could safely mark a particular parcel as "not mature" - in fact there is already an option tick on the options tab to do this, for publishing on the web.. Why not include one for the search listing as well?

To minimize confusion, have it ticked by default in a mature region, and let the parcel owner un check it if their content is "work safe".

This issue is becomeing too wishy washy.

When you do a fresh instal and you first entera streaming music parcel it asks you ina pop up if you want to play music.

I think the first time you do a search after a clean install it should ask you very clearly if you want to include content thats located in Mature regions with a similair pop up.

That was all those afraid to see a naked person will be safe just click "no"

And the average person will be reminded that if they want to see 90% of SL content they need to include Mature land.


I agree with Pie BTW - Ive purchased a parcel to put a PG version of my store up. I dont see SL doing anything but becoming more and more "Kid freindly"

Just wait till we have the forum battles over LL wanting to merge the adult and teen grids. Im pretty sure its on someones agenda somewhere.

The teens probably behave themselves better than many of the adults do on the main grid.

funny -

but behaving isnt, and never was the point.

While I do agree that Search sometimes yields some eye popping and even offensive results, I can't say I have seemn any overtly sexual content in places where I wouldn't expect it. I'm not saying it isn't there, but it hasn't hit me between the eyes..yet.

You need to look in some more risque places

There are places in search offering to hit you all over your face, never mind just between the eyes.

<Bilbo99 stands at rostrum .. clears throat> "I'd just like to thank Mum and Dad .. and all the rest of the Production Team ... "


I hope this 'granularity' is fast in coming. Defaulting a house creator to off before enabling plot options to countermand this compares to a heart operation where the rib cage is cut open before applying the anaesthetic!
I think LL strategem needs someone who can work on priorities.

Any personal favorites?

I've posted about my landmark hosting service over on the Shopping forum. I couldn't figure out where it really should go. If cross-posting about it here is spamming let me know and I'll delete this.

~Bodhi

"[ ] include places in mature regions."


I guess I'm not sure I understand the underlying issue as well as I thought I did.

The comment is clear, and it doesn't condemn businesses
located in mature regions to being "scarry taboo non-worksafe" themselves, it clearly implies "you have to enter mature regions to get to some search results".

Which seams a fair warning and description to me.

There are, I'm sure, some people that refuse to set foot in mature regions, for whatever reason they may have, regardless of whether the parcel in that area is maintained in a PG way or not.

Then again, I'm probably just giving people too much credit in assuming that anyone will actually even bother to notice, read, comprehend and experiment with this setting that is right under to the 'search criteria' input box.

(no, I'm not being sarcastic)

when a simple check mark is the cause of your financial ruin?

You are giving too much credit though.

It's not that simple when suddenly sales drop to nothing because no one is seeing your shop.

You know how ridiculously easy it is for them to change it back? It would take their programmer 5 minutes to change it back. Adjust the default setting of the checkbox, and adjust the query string that queries the database. Five minutes... Serious.

So, either LL hasn't seen this thread yet, or they've decided to keep their changes. But it certainly isn't something that is of "in the works" nature. It's such an easy change. Five minutes.

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Nothing wrong with what SuezanneC Baskerville suggested, which was:

Problems with this setting affecting search aside, which more recent commentary in other threads has shown to be less severe than previously thought, I still think it makes more sense to have "Mature" as an option that one should make the choice to select, rather than remember to unselect it should they not wish to include Mature rated results. I even suggested the same in one of the older threads about ageplay, or around that time anyway. It of course never occurred to me that it would cause such a ruccus.

Still, there are issues with the overall rating system that really do need some work.

as was previously posted in several other threads similar to this, this is the norm for this time of year. the weather is warmer, the sun is out, birds are chirping, and chcolate bunny ears and peeps are back!!!

maybe i shouldn't have sounded so ummm blase' with that comment, but really, i saw no difference my self. if a store i frequent is on a mature sim, i put a check in the mature box, if not i don't. what this boils down to is just a wait and see. i know its frustrating and believe me i have vented a few times myself. but its just like r/l buisness, you have a boom then a bust. i also have seen posts regarding slow rezzing as well. while i can wait until the merchadise appears around me to shop, many arent that forgiving and they move on.

one thing i can suggest is, until this particular issue is fixed, that the store owners reduce thier "stock" so to speak so thier items can rezz faster? kust a thought.

Well, I think it makes more sense to UNcheck it.

Actually, I doubt there are actually very many people at all who run around their Second Lives with mature "unchecked," once they figure out that it's there.

The problem is the box ISN'T obvious, and people don't even think to look there. This has always been a problem, when people couldn't figure out where things went until they figured out that the box had become unchecked somehow.

Personally, I think LL doing this might have more to do with throttling down search than it has to do even with hiding naughty places, which I thought at first was the major reason.

Unfortunately, new people will think that all the places on mature land ARE naughty, and not think to enable mature for things like clothes and houses.

Right now, we already have classified working in a manner to which I get to set my ad to say whether or not I am advertising mature content. (If someone finds that I am, and not admitting it, they can always AR me.)

So I already know this can be done. If they would just do THIS much, I would be happy. If it's okay for Classifieds, then it's okay for parcels in Find Places as well.

coco

There's some deeper meaning here.

If the difference between checked and unchecked is resulting in "Financial Ruin"... I have to wonder... who are your customers?

I suppose it's the magnitudes game. 1x landlords, 10x shopkeepers, 100x land owners and 1000x regular basics', and 10,000x newbies&tourists. A 'successful' business would target the higher volume 'groups', .. at least the highest volume that has money in world, which means those tourist and newbies with $.

So if those ignorant nearly-newbies can't figure out how to use Search correctly and it 'ruins' you... what will you do if:

LL implements closed registration again, which will seriously reduce the amount of 'new blood' coming into SL?

If SL's population growth slows down resulting in a drop off in new residents?

If LL makes some other unexpected policy changes?

It sounds like you're profiting off of the transient short timers! No, I do not have a problem with that, but you've got to realize you're in a precarious position. If something this miniscule flips your boat over what are you going to do when something more major occurs?

You know 'change' is never far off, especially in the online realm.

Perhaps its time to evolve the core programme to allow yet another setting. The default of no mature shown is possibly the correct one for under age (PG) although very easy to turn on for them to be exposed to 'mature content'. Perhaps we need a XXX and a Mature setting? Maybe even a 'mature commercial' setting, strictly for business's selling adult clothing which doesn't come under the heading of Sexual, but Sensual? The problem here is who is going to decide which is which, and police it?

Big business isn't niave enough, to know their advertising is likely to become mixed with some form of 'porn' otherwise they would never venture onto the internet, it's just easier to become mixed due to the lack of facilities to filter out most of it with the limited features of the search function.

When I use search, I always scroll to the bottom of the list and read upwards, simply because I know most of the stuff I am not interested in, or is unrelated, will be at the top.

Alternatively, use a internet based SL search such as SLExchange-SLBoutique and others to gain a better experience. Soon there will be direct links to internet based websites that can be rendered in SL (no more openning your browser on top of SL).