Off Sim..the new WOMD ..or account destruction

Rezzing an off sim structure can warrant immediate account suspension with no warning regardless of account age and bearing. Any off sim item is ..quote

'Violation: Community Standards: Harassment, Impeding Movement Creating objects or content with the explicit purpose ofimpeding or interfering with the free movement of anotherResident in a Safe Areas. ' (bad typing uncorrected)

i.e around the coast and only extending few metres...a rock....

Search xstreet for off sim and hundreds of results, LL receive commission on sales, LL receives commission, tier, texture upload fees on what is an 'illegal' item against the TOS. LL give us the tools to create a prettier 'world' they fill the log-in page with pretty pictures often containing off sim builds, is it any wonder we miss the logic here?

Thank goodness the Linden pressing the 'suspend' button wasn't in the White House with the red bomb button

Of course you could buy an off sim product and use it on sim but hardly the point then.

Off simmer sinners be warned, don't get stuck between a rock and a hard place..

a friendly alt...

i will assume that those off sim items are set to phantom, thereby NOT obstructing anyone's path.

obstruction sounds like the only violation, not the actual placing of an object that extends off sim.

plus, avatars cannot go off sim to be impeded.

How does an "off sim" object impede an avatar or prevent its free movement if the avatar can never go "off sim" to be impeded by or have its free movement prevented by said object?

There is a not-so-subtle difference between off-sim objects that extend into the void and those that extend into your sim-neighbour's land.

What?

you're on mainland, aren't you?

Doesn't that assume there is no contiguous sim?

In that case it is no longer an "off sim" object but simply another set of prims.

hehe...love the name!!! Thanks for the info

If it is being called an "off sim" object, then the only assumption to be made is no contiguous sim. An object off your sim, but on another, is still "on sim" somewhere.

If this thing ends up being on somebody elses land than yeah, LL is going to get grumpy.

If it's in the void - not a watersim or some unused land but actual there's-no-sim-there void - I don't see why they'd care.

So there is no problem. An off-sim object cannot be an obstacle because an avatar cannot come into contact with it.

An off sim object has to be attached to a root prim that is on sim. Normally the root prim is transparent and the whole build is phantom... however if it wasn't made right then the root prim could impede traffic.
I have a feeling here that the case the OP is talking about was someone sliding an object onto the next sim... not out into the void. That's a whole different issue.

Yeah that's the point I was making to begin with. But apparently my terminology was loose: I'm informed that an off-sim object that extends into another sim cannot be called off-sim becuase it is on another sim.

OP makes it sound like you could get busted for a tree overlapping.... but the key is harassment. It was done to harass.

even if an "off sim"object extends into a neighbouring sim it can not obstruct movement, it can be seen but is automaticly phantom as for as the avatars on the other sim are concerned.
This is why a bridge crossing a sim border needs overlapping prims on both sides of the border else you would fall trough it as soon as you enter the next sim.
Torley made a videotuturail about this.

"Off sim" - an object whose center resides on your parcel and which extends into a void area. Legal.

"Encroachment" - the same object, but extending onto land you do not own. Not legal.

"Harrassment" - the same object, placed with the deliberate intent of impeding movement on land you do not own. VERY not legal.

However if the root prim (presumably a really long mega prim) wasn't made phantom and it had to cross someone's parcel or protected land to get to the next sim... then the root prim could be seen as an obstruction.

Precisely, which was my original point.

Root prim and rocks all phantom on owned mainland extending a few metres into linden ocean...a huge ocean surrounding the continent. A sim hugging boater placed an AR which was turned around in an impressive day and account zapped.

Shame same LL employee wasnt on duty when a huge freebie coaster was dumped on said mainland beach almost in rental lounges, could not be moved, it took 2 weeks and 3 AR's to get it gone. Also another sailboat is also abandoned now on the parcel, and no they didnt hit the rocks' !!

(maybe the issue is being on 'sailable' water...bring out the depth charges...grrrr)

User error. Linden ocean is still a sim, and precisely there for other to enjoy the view and boating activities by all, not for your personal use. I can see why it was returned.

We've been told that on Zindra, extending onto Linden water was okay as long as no neighbor complained and it didn't obstruct movement on the water. Note well, however, that if it obstructs movement on a narrow path of Linden water surrounding a sim--even if there are sims of ocean beyond--it *is* a violation. The reason for that is obvious to anyone who sails or uses any vehicle near a sim edge, e.g., that "sim hugging boater". That may be the same reason the OP encountered some debris along the beach.

On the other hand, an account suspension rarely results from a simple encroachment. Usually one just gets one's stuff back in the Lost+Found. So... I suspect there are additional pertinent facts in this case.

Actually our continent had Linden authorisation for off sim pretties as long as not miles out..this was right near the beach so how much ocean do they need?
Return maybe but immediate account suspension?? without a warning? what happens for really major offences? hanging?
Patrol the coastline how many rocks, jetties, COASTGUARD platforms are there off sim on Gov land? and how nice and real does it make it look?

'So... I suspect there are additional pertinent facts in this case.'
none short of land envy perhaps....

I've seen a number of instances of this on Mainland.

Along the edges of continents, it's common to have a 16m wide protected passage.
Some landowners had positioned 'off-sim' objects with the root prim on their land. The problem is that the object appears to physically block passage.
A knowledgeable sailor will just sail straight into such a cliff face or reef on the understanding that it is phantom. Many/most(?) might assume that passage is blocked.

I once came across a solid prim beach that blocked the 16m strip. Perhaps a clue to their attitude was the ban lines on their parcel.


I noticed that a number of people who got land in Zindra along the Southern coastline set out 'off-sim' reefs / islands/ cliffs that encroached into the Linden water sim. I think that LL stomped on that. THey were taking up quite a chunk of protected water.

LL are not paranoid about prims encroaching on Linden land, I think. It would depend on the circumstances. Anyone 'taking the piss' is going to get zapped.

Told by whom? I had my little island that I put up (phantom and only encroaching by a few metres, certainly not blocking anyone sailing past) returned. I suspect Sindy had her bridge returned despite it not blocking anything and I seem to remember possibly Valerius and Brie also having items returned.

and that's just off the top of my head you realise.