Missing Classified

I placed a very expensive classified ad yesterday at Date: 2007-07-16 01:52:28. It copst me L$14,777. It was live for a time but now it's nowere to be found and does not even exist in my profile.

Has any one else had this happen? I'm still out the cash, no ad, and I'm not sure what to do. There was also numerous L$50 ads that I placed that were once live and have now just vanished.

If anyone has a quick way to get this resolved I would appreciate it.

TY

they are taking down gambling classifieds, suprised u still have some in ur profile

You can look up the transaction number in your transaction history and submit a trouble ticket. The blog does say that it is removing gambling associated ads and not refunding for removal. If this is your case, then best of luck on that. I don't agree with their policy of "strip and don't tell" either.

they don`t?

that sucks

Is Zyngo included in that? If it is then that's just HS.

The fact that they make money off it every day and every second of everyday is even more pure horse $#%^ and then let me pay and then take it off and profit from it.

Well to say I'm pissed is an understatement. Online gambling is not illegal. If anyone can show me a US law stating that gambling is illegal and online gambling for that matter in the US I will give you all my possessions.

It's not, and it's the US's lazy way of trying to get their hands on some of the money it's producing. Sickens me and that's why I moved to Mexico.

I have some sweet land in Awenhai for sale and anything else that I have that's transferable is yours. Come and take a look and make me an offer. I'm out if here.

You joking right? There's 100's that exist right now on SL. Why don;t they block the word Zyngo? It was a Zyngo ad? It's their biggest money maker that's why.

The law was passed last fall. Here is a link to one article and a partial quote.

http://www.forbes.com/business/2006/10/02/internet-gambling-offshore-tech-ebiz-cx_po_1002gambling.html

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Online Bets Are Off
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But while the new act now categorically outlaws online gambling (the previous 1961 Wire Act was only used to charge firms that took sports bets), Kelly believes American gamblers will still find a way to pay their online bets. That's because despite the new law, the majority of the more than 2,000 offshore online gambling companies will continue to take bets from the United States, he said. "The smaller companies who are not publicly traded will keep going. What have they got to lose?"
...

I've been around this and involved for over six years. I'm not going to debate and I'll only state the facts.

ONLINE GAMBLING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN THE US!

Read this very carefully from the article you inlcluded; [A bill was passed by the U.S. Congress over the weekend, outlawing credit-card and money-transfer companies from accepting payments to gambling Web sites.]

This was attached to unrelated bill that passed through congress in the 24th hour. It DOES NOT make online gambling illegal. It was a sneaky way for an assinine self-serving congressman to get an amendment through Congress which would try and stem the money flow.

Do you know why this was done? because the US government is greedy, stupid and unorganized. they couldn't manage a way to regulate and tax this behemoth in an efficient enough time-frame like most other countries have done. So lazily they made it illegal to transfer the funds.

Let's be logical here. Is it illegal to gamble online in the US? No, I can go and gamble on the horses right now online. Why is that? $$$$ that's what. Can I gamble in a church in the Us by playing Bingo? sure can. can I go to a casino and gamble in the Us? Sure can. Can I buy a state sponsored gambling lottery ticket? sure can. The US is a joke and this amenedment is a joke. SL is a joke in the way they've decided to still profit and pretend to play along.

Again, online gambling in the US is not illegal. they would have never been able to get that hypocritical law passed, so instead they snuck in an amendment attached to an unrelated bill to stop the money flow.

It's all a joke, and the joke is on you people. The joke was on me when I placed a Zyngo ad for 14k and SL stole my money using this crap amendment as the excuse. If they consider Zyngo gambling then why don't they block that term from the ads like the did slots, casino, etc...? I'm really confused by their policy.

Irrelivant.

Gambling isn't even against the rules of SL. What LL has said is against their rules is using their media (ie, search, ads, classifieds) to advertise gambling.

I agree, a better system of blocking what is, and is not, allowed and not simply taking money for ads that will be removed is needed.

However, LL is completely within their right to determine how their service is used and regulated.

~Jessy

Some states have specific laws against online gambling of any kind. Also, owning an online gaming operation without proper licensing would be illegal, and no states are currently granting online gaming licenses.

Sounds pretty illegal to me.

Post us up a copy of that AD that got removed please

without seeing what it said there is no way to tell........anything


Anyway i've notied Classified ad's do 'go away' on there own often

This may be the best advice as of yet. I may be getting a little upset for something that may have been a technical glitch. That should be the first place to look.

It was a Zyngo ad and only Zyngo was being advertised. I guess I need someone to answer me before I go through all the supprt crap and probably get no answer. Is Zyngo considered one of the things that they do not allow advertising for? They do not block Zyngo or any related terms for that. There's 100's of Zyngo/Sling/DMC ads on SL classifieds.

Please answer that question for me and we can go from there.

As a side note- last time I knew the US states don't have a damn thing to say/do or regulate when it comes to the internet. If you live in a state that has outlawed online gambling and you get caught playing, well I guess they can just lock you up in one of their pretty little cells for living in a backwards azz state in the first place. More than likely it's one of those states that runs their own little state lottery gambling operations and it's really just something called protectionism.

Simply put -
Federal law prohibits those in the business of betting or wagering from "knowingly using a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers, or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, on any sporting event or contest." Violation of the statute provides a penalty of a fine or imprisonment for up to two years and potential asset seizure under racketeering statutes. In addition, the common carrier transmitting the signals can be ordered by the government to refuse further services to the operator.

now if you want to set up an independent satellite system, then federally its legal. as long as you dont use interstate "wires"

your state laws would also apply.

In california, Linden Labs home state, you can find the laws here - http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/California/ - and they apply to LL as applicable.

Also Second Life is private property so to speak, so if they want to Ban gambling and levy any type of penalty, that there option and right, PLAIN and SIMPLE.

BTW could you provide the name of you casino in RL so i can verify your gaming license with your local officials.

As a note: perhaps your ad DID get misplaced, its happen before.........

You've just quoted the wire act which makes placing sports wagers over the phone lines illegal. Has nothing to do with Zyngo, or Casino related gaming etc... And is arguable if it even covers most internet cable-modem communications, but is only applicable to SPORTS WAGERING ONLY. It's an archaic law that CAN'T be twsisted to cover what we're talking about here no matter how hard you try. That's why the US government is trying in vain to do anything else that they can to protect US big business: lotteries, casinos, horse racing, etc... by passing UIEGEA.

You're correct that SL can do whatever they want, but they should flat out say that they will not allow ZYNGO type of advertising and block the term, before allowing me to pay for an ad and then stealing my money for it. If that's what indeed did happen. I placed a support ticket, so let me hurry up and wait to see what they say.

If it was a technincal error, no biggie, I understand. If it's because it was Zyngo which shoudld really could be classified as a skill game possibly, then that's just theft by them. IMO I can;t follow the rules if they don't tell me what they are.

i've never played Zyngo , but if its a game like Slingo or DMC

calling 'avoid the devil' a game of skill is a bit of a ............ITS ALL SKILL I SAY




KILL THE DEVIL!

LOL, true, but if you seen what our politicians deem skill games versus games of luck, I guess it's a screwy fine line to say the least. You could always look at this way. If I put money into a Zyngo/DMC machine and push the button then wait and do nothing I lose. I guess I have to play along and pay attention. For some people I guess you could call that skill.

Either way LL shouldn't just take down a 50 dollar ad with no refund. That's just wrong.

they posted on the blog not to place ad's for gambling places why do "business owners" not research before they spend lots of $L on their businesses?

Because gambling carries very different definitions. If you were educated on the matter you wouldn't have made an ignorant post. Let me try and educate you even though it's not my job.

Second Life has banned gambling terms, for example; casino, slots, black jack, BJ, etc... from being used in their classified advertisements. The games of Zyngo, Slingo, DMC, etc.. are even more prevelant within Second Life than those aforementioned casino terms, but they have not been banned from the classifieds. Does that not give everyone the impression that these games are viewed differently by SL? It sure the hell gave me that impression. So that was my reasoning for spending the money to advertise. My money was accepted and the classified ad was placed.

Now let's take two steps back before we fry SL for something that may be due to a technical error. I surely hope that was the case and I'm hoping it is so, because the alternative is blatant theft. If they were too lazy to program in blocks for those terms, but chose instead to allow those types of ads to be placed and then to retroactively cancel them and keep the money, well that's just theft in my opinion. If you don't want those ads listed then program in blocks for them just like they have for the other terms they've banned.

But let's wait until I get an answer back from support before we go there.

lol and you resort to name calling

how professional and mature

like people asked you before post your classified here so maybe people can see the problem

well looking at your profile and the classifieds you have left
they should all be removed

the picture very clearly states :
black jack
video poker
and original casino yacht

ummmm sounds like advertising a casino to me

Yes, we should wait until Vegas Hears back from LL about his support ticket.

I hope you are willing to share the reason for you ad not showing, either way, as that information could benefit everyone who plans on placing an ad in the future.

As for the legality of your activities, in your jurisdiction, only a qualified legal professional can answer that question with any real accuracy.

In my jurisdiction, both state and federal laws restrict my ability to participate in any Gaming or gambling activities, online or off.

(Except the ones they operate)

For one I never called you a name, but I do feel like doing it now. I'd also post the ad if it wasn't deleted. Since it was deleted how do expect me to duplicate it here? Last but not least, I use multiple graphics with ads that I've placed depending on the target, so let's not assume that I used the one you are referring to for this instance. You know what they say about people when they assume? Enough with you now, go away, you're making me itch in all the wrong places.

For the others, I'll for sure post the response from SL. Thanks for everyones input, well almost everyones.

you dont keep a notecarded copy of your ad's?
all the ad's you have up now use the same pic so its easy to think that is the one you use for all

ill go away when i feel like it

ahhh, that itch is back. No all the ads I have now do not use the same graphic. Please go yell at your husband, kick your dog, or yell at your kids. Be gone with your miserable self.