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Would you sacrifice one day?

Deandra Watts
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06-07-2007 06:21
From: Brenda Connolly
Hey if people want to be Apathetic, I don't care...... :p


QUIT IT. COFFEE OUT THE NOSE HURTS.

damn you...

*skulks off*
Aleister Montgomery
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06-07-2007 06:21
Thanks for sharing that Bilbo. While...

From: someone
[11:08] Robin Linden: I'm not going to write a blog post about child avs, but if someone reports a child av and there's no inappropriate behavior that report will be closed with no action.
[11:10] Robin Linden: We do our best in training to make sure there's consistency in response.
[11:21] Robin Linden: I can't speak in generalities. We have not found any reason to ban Goreans or BDSM.


...reads like Robin had a halfway rational view in this matter, I completely fail to understand this part:

From: someone
[11:25] Robin Linden: Let me ask you all this. When faced with an opportunity to create a new world where things are supposed to be better, do you think there's a place for slavery, forced sex, and the like?
[11:39] Robin Linden: For now I would say use your heads, live by the laws of your own jurisdiction, try not to be in other people's faces with activities that you know might draw ciriticism in the RW


"Activities that might draw criticism in the RW (real world, RL)" includes pretty much everything. Like simply being alive, but black, homosexual or an atheist.

"Being in other people's faces" could only be avoided if we had real privacy in SL. Alas, those other people can phase their faces (cameras) through solid walls.
Also, while everyone who is easily offended has the brains to simply stay out of (perfectly legal) BDSM and fetish clubs in the real world, not to speak of private bedrooms, people seem unwilling to do so in SL and demand that every place they can access is tailored to their personal tastes.

And how hard is it to understand that there can never be slavery or forced sex on the grid, since SL doesn't allow any force? That the "victims" desperately want to roleplay these things? It makes no sense to first admit that Gorean / BDSM roleplay is harmless, and then compare the same safe and consensual roleplay to slavery and rape. A new and better world shouldn't be more restrictive and less rational than the "old world".



On topic: I'd happily sacrifice a day if I was sure that a significant part of the 50,000 daily visitors would do the same.
Brenda Connolly
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06-07-2007 06:26
From: Deandra Watts
QUIT IT. COFFEE OUT THE NOSE HURTS.

damn you...

*skulks off*



Especially Hot Coffee. Hey, sue the coffee shop for damages.
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Tillie Ariantho
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06-07-2007 06:27
Staying off wont work. Sure it would be 'some' people less, but there are still lots of newbies coming in each day, and then the other guys who say 'people going one day off, I'm a lucky one, no lag today!'

That simply wont work at all.
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Deandra Watts
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06-07-2007 06:28
From: Aleister Montgomery
On topic: I'd happily sacrifice a day if I was sure that a significant part of the 50,000 daily visitors would do the same.


Sorry to snip your comment, but wanted to thank you.

IMO You've always been very outspoken & also very reasonable unless absolutely backed into a corner. I can assure you that if your business ever was put in peril of closing I'd be arm in arm with people who are way more (shall we say) flavorful than vanilla ol' me. It's the principle of the thing.

As an aside, do I recognize that name from Jolly Ol' London? :)
Deandra Watts
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06-07-2007 06:32
From: Tillie Ariantho
Staying off wont work. Sure it would be 'some' people less, but there are still lots of newbies coming in each day, and then the other guys who say 'people going one day off, I'm a lucky one, no lag today!'

That simply wont work at all.


Thanks! Exactly why I'm trying to get a good idea if people are willing to do this. And you make a very good point that there are some who would say yes just to get a lag-free day. No matter SL or RL there will always be those who only look out for themselves.

As for the newbies, I don't think that would have as big an impact as the 50,000+ regular users that was mentioned in Aleister's post (I don't know that that specific number is an actual statistic, and I'd hazard a guess it's way more, but it's as good a number as any I imagine hehe).
Aleister Montgomery
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06-07-2007 06:37
From: Deandra Watts
Sorry to snip your comment, but wanted to thank you.

IMO You've always been very outspoken & also very reasonable unless absolutely backed into a corner. I can assure you that if your business ever was put in peril of closing I'd be arm in arm with people who are way more (shall we say) flavorful than vanilla ol' me. It's the principle of the thing.

As an aside, do I recognize that name from Jolly Ol' London? :)


I do :) and thanks for your support. It's good to see that someone remembers me from Socio times, and that many residents are open-minded and tolerant when it comes to fetishes they don't share.
Object Pascale
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06-07-2007 06:46
I already don't log in a few days a week so it wouldn't be a problem at all. I go through periodic bursts of spending more time in game, but the Lindens inevitably rob me of my enthusiasm within a few weeks and I start looking for other things to do. At the end of the day, I come to SL to enjoy myself and get away from RL pressures. When bad Linden policy making dominates my thoughts when in-world, I wonder why I bothered and walk away for a bit.
Deandra Watts
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06-07-2007 06:51
From: Aleister Montgomery
I do :) and thanks for your support. It's good to see that someone remembers me from Socio times, and that many residents are open-minded and tolerant when it comes to fetishes they don't share.


How could I forget an influential businessperson in Stratford? LOL If I'm not mistaken, my very last day there was spent beating the living <censored> out of IFUCMeRun in your establishment for grabbing/KOing/robbing people in the place "down the block".

On point, I can't imagine thinking any other way. For myself, my life as a kid in the 60s and 70s was being white, middle class, suburban American kid meets everyone from Black Panther (sweetheart of a man who'd call me "little one" and ruffle my hair), brought home by my sister and all varying cultures introduced to me by my Dad (teacher at a local HS who'd bring co-workers home to dinner). I was brought up to see diverse cultures as something to learn and benefit from.

"Before englightenment, you chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, you chop wood, and carry water" Buddhist saying.

While some trains of thought and ways of life may not change what I do, or who I am, it certainly gives me things to ponder while I "chop wood and carry water". :)
Alicia Sautereau
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06-07-2007 07:23
no

it`s pointless, won`t help do anything (cept paying for something u don`t use)
but if u must, all of us who login will have a lag free day for a change ;)
AWM Mars
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06-07-2007 07:51
And LL would care if a 'high' percentage of us didn't login as a protest?

Stippend/rent/premium accounts will still be paid.. the Lindens can sit back and take it easy, send eachother more 'love emails', take extra profit for low usage of the system/bandwidth and what is being acheived? 1,000's of people will be denied turnover/profit/revenue... yeah that will teach the Lindens a thing or two!!!............. not.
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bilbo99 Emu
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06-07-2007 07:52
From: Aleister Montgomery
Thanks for sharing that Bilbo.

On topic: I'd happily sacrifice a day if I was sure that a significant part of the 50,000 daily visitors would do the same.

Yes Aleister, you got to the same cut-off as I did when concern came in. Hence my vote for yes also.
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Deandra Watts
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06-07-2007 07:55
From: AWM Mars
And LL would care if a 'high' percentage of us didn't login as a protest?

Stippend/rent/premium accounts will still be paid.. the Lindens can sit back and take it easy, send eachother more 'love emails', take extra profit for low usage of the system/bandwidth and what is being acheived? 1,000's of people will be denied turnover/profit/revenue... yeah that will teach the Lindens a thing or two!!!............. not.


While that's certainly true, they're also very gung-ho about concurrent users as a means of showing "Look how popular we are!" to potential investors and the media.

Thanks for your input :)
Eva Ryan
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06-07-2007 08:01
[11:54] Robin Linden: ...becomes more one of oversight. When the day comes that the group can host their own servers, then they can do whatever they want and answer directly to their local authorities.

Soooo....when do we get open source server code???
Elex Dusk
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06-07-2007 08:19
From: AWM Mars
And LL would care if a 'high' percentage of us didn't login as a protest?

Stippend/rent/premium accounts will still be paid.. the Lindens can sit back and take it easy, send eachother more 'love emails', take extra profit for low usage of the system/bandwidth and what is being acheived? 1,000's of people will be denied turnover/profit/revenue... yeah that will teach the Lindens a thing or two!!!............. not.


The solution is to "take money off the table" which can be done by having Premium accounts with excess unused tier absorb parcels from other Premium accounts so that they can tier down. Linden Lab thus makes no additional tier fees off of the resident who absorbed the parcel as they're using up their unused tier and Linden Lab makes less money from the resident that divested the parcel and was thus able to tier down.
Brenda Connolly
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06-07-2007 08:26
From: Elex Dusk
The solution is to "take money off the table" which can be done by having Premium accounts with excess unused tier absorb parcels from other Premium accounts so that they can tier down. Linden Lab thus makes no additional tier fees off of the resident who absorbed the parcel as they're using up their unused tier and Linden Lab makes less money from the resident that divested the parcel and was thus able to tier down.

Interesting. I am not using my free tier allowance, and was thinking of coloring down my account. How would this work. Would you transfer your land to a premium who isn't holding any to absorb the tier? Could be a bit risky.
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06-07-2007 08:49
From: Brenda Connolly
Interesting. I am not using my free tier allowance, and was thinking of coloring down my account. How would this work. Would you transfer your land to a premium who isn't holding any to absorb the tier? Could be a bit risky.


We'll use what another resident and myself did as an example of how the process works.

My friend had excess unused tier meaning they could absorb the land without having to move up to the next tier level. I wanted to move down a tier level _and_ make sure LL didn't manage to bilk another resident in the process. I transferred the parcel of land to my friend, went to the website, and checked the radio button for my reduced tier level.

My friend pays nothing extra. He simply absorbed the tier within his current tier level. I pay less than I did before (30-percent less). It's a good feeling especially as I'm 100-percent certain that iHaveFluffyCottonBetwixtMyEars Linden is completely unaware that residents are taking money off the table.
Nina Stepford
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06-07-2007 09:01
i would be worried about the message this would send if too few people paarticipated in it.
Joshua Jamberoo
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06-07-2007 10:03
Deandra: Count me in for this...but I would suggest organizers get together and advertise it wherever they could in-world.

Also, pick a day that would be easily remembered by everyone - perhaps July 4th, for its symbolism?

Just a thought. :)

Also, I agree that it should be more all-encompassing, because LL has a LOT of issues that really ought to be dealt with before they focus on what consenting adults are doing in their private dungeons, like stability, lag, half the people not getting stipend, crappy customer service, etc etc etc ad nauseum.
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06-07-2007 10:05
I already go a day or two without SL from time to time depending on what there is to do IRL.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-07-2007 10:09
From: Joshua Jamberoo
Deandra: Count me in for this...but I would suggest organizers get together and advertise it wherever they could in-world.

Also, pick a day that would be easily remembered by everyone - perhaps July 4th, for its symbolism?

Just a thought. :)

Also, I agree that it should be more all-encompassing, because LL has a LOT of issues that really ought to be dealt with before they focus on what consenting adults are doing in their private dungeons, like stability, lag, half the people not getting stipend, crappy customer service, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

No American should be inside behind a computer on July 4th anyway. It's....unAmerican! :p (Unless it's raining).
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06-07-2007 10:12
From: Brenda Connolly
No American should be inside behind a computer on July 4th anyway. It's....unAmerican! :p (Unless it's raining).


You've never been to the Northwest on the 4th...rain is no excuse!
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Joshua Jamberoo
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06-07-2007 10:13
From: Brenda Connolly
No American should be inside behind a computer on July 4th anyway. It's....unAmerican! :p (Unless it's raining).


Yeah, but this way we get to barbecue and go swimming and fireworks while making a statement at the same time ;)
AWM Mars
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06-08-2007 01:47
Maybe you could all go to LL's 'day off barbeque' and protest outside? Not being in game during a National holiday, they will notice even less than normal.
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Deandra Watts
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06-08-2007 03:42
From: AWM Mars
Maybe you could all go to LL's 'day off barbeque' and protest outside? Not being in game during a National holiday, they will notice even less than normal.


When RL work interferes with my in-world time and my forums posting, it really pisses me off. Where's Ed McMahon when I need him???

And I agree, AWM. A day when they might already see a slump might not make a difference unless what I hear is true that US makes up less than 20% of the total residents. I'll do a little poking around.
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