Would you sacrifice one day?

Yes
No

Those are the only 2 answers that I, personally, am looking for; though I know it would be difficult to do for quite a few for many reasons. That's why I'm feeling this out here

It would be one organized day (obviously not yet decided upon) for everyone to simply just not log in.

It would not be a Wednesday

It would be a date with plenty of notice: therefore we would all know NOT to schedule events or meetings, not to plan to meet up with so and so about this or that.

My reasoning behind this is as follows:

The blog posting and ensuing meeting with Robin resulted in some answers, but very few (in defense of Robin, I understand that answering questions that as yet *have* no answers would have put her in a very difficult situation).

While I realize that the tiers would still be paid, there would be a glaring (with luck) ZERO logged in. That would certainly turn some heads, wouldn't it? Even a drastically reduced number of residents in-world would send a message. And that message is:

"Today I have decided to join with my fellow residents in a one-day "NO FREEDOM, NO SL" protest."

At this early hour, and with one coffee under my belt, this seems to be a very effective means of getting the message across.

I don't RP age-play in sexual situations (by this, I mean something entirely different from depictions of child abuse), I don't live the BDSM lifestyle. I don't make prim penises or pubic hair. I am not Gorean. I do not live my Second Life in a furry avatar. I do not live my second life in a child avatar. Some of my neighbors, friends and acquaintances, however, DO or ARE.

I support my fellow residents who practice the above lifestyles, or live out their fantasies without harm to anyone else. I accept that other people are different from me, and quite frankly, most of the time I'm met with diversity of culture, I LEARN from it.

So... would you? Or wouldn't you?

(Edited after 4th sip of java to correct spelling)

No or little point really Deandra.
For one thing, this forum only finds a small percentage of the population. Even if zero forum posters logged in, it would merely speed up the system a minute amount for the non-forum folk.
Secondly, the restrictions to lifestyles you put forward I've not heard of? Does anyone else know for a fact that any of these are being outlawed? Child avatars we already know have been blown out of all proportion. Lindens are on record as saying playing a child is *not* wrong?

NO.

I fell inlove (RL) with, what I thought was, the sweetest guy in SL until he started to grow more distant and started to hide from me until he broke our friendship last week.

This week I found out his true intentions, he's a pedophile. He signed up for sl 2 days after a dutch news program had a article about child porn in sl, he always spends time in lolita and sims such as Nemo where kids prostitute themselves.

So NO, I will not refuse login for a day out of protest for these perverts.

What I propose is that such perverts leave other residents, like me who are emotionally attached to their avatars, a very wide birth and totally ignore them because as this guy did to me, he just crushed my heart of lieing and god knows what he did for 3 months while he was playing with my reallife emotions.

The text of the meeting can be found here:
http://unitedprotest.mine.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8#8

The vague reference that leads me to believe that freedoms aside from those we all find morally abhorrent (child abuse) is this:

"I doubt very much that ageplay is the last behavior that will come under this scrutiny."

As for non-forum folk I thought it best to get the opinionated's opinion before going on an in-world mission. Thanks for your response

As I posted (and I thought, rather clearly) the references to age play have NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILD ABUSE.

*hands her a coffee*

*drinks the coffee*

My answer still stands, knowing what these avatars are used for in SL it just turned my stomach when I saw a child dancing in the shelter. But to each their own, I own a child av too, which I used for a single day to pull people's legs and just be generally annoying.

Right now I would not mind if they deleted ALL child AV's from inventories and servers, even the one I bought which has no genitals or anything.

If you used your child avatar to pull on legs, doesn't it stand to reason that others do, as well?

It's the very idea of taking one or two experiences and translating them into a general "this is what's done by all" that gets us into trouble in reality.

I respect your right to speak your mind, but I heartily disagree with your train of thought.

That said, no more from me on that particular issue as there are plenty of other postings in the forums with that self-same discussion on-going and unlocked.

BTW, do you want cream or sugar in your coffee?

I wonder where you live. Alone in the wild wild west?

NO LAWS = NO FREEDOM

that's the human nature

As I am far from every day in SL, it would be no real problem for me. So many other nice and good things to outside SL.

But I have to agree with some of the others, I think it will have no effect.

BTW that I am not every day in SL, doesn’t mean I don’t love it as others here do. I do, but I also love other things .

Morwen.

No logging on for a day would be of no consequence to me. IF it were possible to organize I would be for it. But not just in protest of what you mention. It could be a statement against all in SL we are not happy with: Censorship, Griefers, Poor Stability, Lousy Customer Service, , etc. Vickie's story is sad, but that is an inherent danger in online dating. While I'm sure some have found love in SL or online in general, I'd venture more stories like Vickie's are the norm. Be careful if you may be looking for RL love here. Personally, my #1 rule is never take any in world relationship out to RL. And I make that known before anything develops.

/me points to the "Brooklyn, NY" under her name

I'm not looking for no laws, Lanz. Nowhere in my original post did I call for anarchy. However, vague references to "Broadly offensive materials", "Other offensive content" and the "Majority" have left me (and thousands of others) scratching our collective heads and wondering what exactly "I doubt very much that ageplay is the last behavior that will come under this scrutiny" means, while left without a clear answer or direction.

The posting, as stated, is a feeling out of residents on the forums. The clarification that this is a starting off point (reply to Bilbo) was made.

Would you like a coffee as well?

Agreed. And thsoe Laws should be clearly defined, with clear penalties, and should be enforced fairly and consistently.

Expanding on the reasons for a one-day thing isn't something I'm against (or even broadly offended by <--that never gets old).

I can see, now that I'm on my 2nd bucket 'o' joe that my vision was too narrow at posting. Thanks for the input of ideas

Which makes the Wild West look like Disneyland.
Were were told as kids to always make sure we left Brooklyn before sundown and to be safely back in Queens. You would always see the mad dash across McGuinness Blvd.

I'll have a Coffee. Black, no sugar.

I did not literally mean pull on people's legs, I was just running around being goofy and that was quite some time ago.

But you are right, I probably shouldn't have responded here and i'm still quite emotional about the trainwreck he put me through the past month, so i'm biased.

Like my colleague from work who told me "Crap, there's another of those sick kid playgrounds next to the new land we use to test build things". Which is in a mature sim, which told him enough too, if you play a child avatar, even for fun or replaying your own childhood why dont you go do it in a pg sim. Usually where there is smoke there is fire, dropping your kid's playground in a mature sim is just asking for people to second guess the true motives.

/me takes cream and sugar please.

Sounds like a day off for the Lindens....haha
If they knew what day that this will happen, they can all plan a day off with thier families.


In all serious, these types of protests do nothing. The gas protests never amount to anything. Even if enough people did join in and not buy gas on a certain day, don't you think that gas sales would be even higher the days leading up to and after the "protest day" ....basically negating the purpose.


As for not logging into SL, I vote for not logging in next Wednesday when the update is going on...LOL
Thats usually a day I take off from SL anyways...hehe

*pours the coffee for Brenda in an offended huff*

I'll have you know I live in a very nice area... in fact, it's the area that Saturday Night Fever was filmed i... OMG!!!!!!!

*packs*

Still feeling the idea/concept out, and all of these responses give me pause for thought (one in a row, get the polaroid!! hehe)

I sat here and thought about the little effect/gas analogy, and I think the difference here is the potential for a "sit up and take notice" reaction. They can't change prices on us db/da (day before/day after).

I personally think it would be a show of solidarity by residents while making it abundantly clear that what we all gripe about here on the forums, at town hall meetings, in letters to the black hole that is support, etc is something we are willing to stand up and do something about. Together. (And just as I typed that, a creeping sense of dismay followed with the thought that we all can never agree to disagree and be one voice... I really hope I'm wrong. But I'm probably right )

[11:08] Robin Linden: I'm not going to write a blog post about child avs, but if someone reports a child av and there's no inappropriate behavior that report will be closed with no action.
[11:10] Robin Linden: We do our best in training to make sure there's consistency in response.
[11:21] Robin Linden: I can't speak in generalities. We have not found any reason to ban Goreans or BDSM.
[11:25] Robin Linden: Let me ask you all this. When faced with an opportunity to create a new world where things are supposed to be better, do you think there's a place for slavery, forced sex, and the like?
[11:39] Robin Linden: For now I would say use your heads, live by the laws of your own jurisdiction, try not to be in other people's faces with activities that you know might draw ciriticism in the RW
[11:42] Lewis Nerd: a question ... daniels blog post implied that the "community" had asked for the clean-up... so when were the community asked?
[11:53] Robin Linden: The more likely scenario, however, is that Residents will join together to create local regions where they agree on rules. In that case our role...
[11:54] Robin Linden: ...becomes more one of oversight. When the day comes that the group can host their own servers, then they can do whatever they want and answer directly to their local authorities.

Thankyou Deandra, there does seem to be a need for clarification but there are some good points in there to counter the negative ones. Nice to see Lewis there.

Bay Ridge, eh? I have fond memories of Bay Ridge, visiting my Uncle at Fort Hamiltonwhen I was a kid.

I agree that a logout may not have a big impact directly, but it can send a message. Dumping tea in Boston harbor may not have been a big deal in and among itself, but things like that can sometimes start movements. And sometimes it just feels good, when you are in a situation that makes you feel frustrated and powerless to do SOMETHING to voice your concerns. I'm all for trying to Improve Our World, even if it is in Our Imagination.

I'd say that's a good first step to clarification. I take back my Boo at Robin in an earlier thread.

Interesting, the vote is the opposite of the opinions of forum posters.
I'd do it, if I had a good reason. The threat of something happening is not a good reason. If it happens then I would take part.

Now this probably wouldn't work. Today society is just to apathetic to do it. They will forever come up with excuses as to why it wouldn't work so why should they take part. If it doesn't work it's because enough people didn't tke part.

The only reason I would do it is if LL needed a day to fix this mess called SL. But it won't happen.

I dunno, I put on a seatbelt and have insurance and there's been no collision or illness *knocks wood*

I see your point, and to a degree I'm with you on apathy. But apathy of some doesn't have to demotivate others. I guess that's where the poll results (puny as they may be) come in

I'd rather be positive about things than confrontational or obnoxious (I save confrontational and obnoxious for the check-out line at the stupidmarket), but maybe that gets more people rallied. It'll have to be done by somebody else if that's the case

Hey if people want to be Apathetic, I don't care......