!quit !quit !quit !quit !quit !quit !quit !quit !quit !quit

*ALL* copybot versions have been neutralized as of 1.13, when a breaking change in the object rez portion of the message template killed it.

It would be useful to have a grid-wide Linden announcement asking people to remove their anticopybot devices.

I agree with this post but let us also have some understanding towards the creative designers and builders who were badly scared with the copybot issue. And as I understand it this "tempory" measure initially worked and was given away free of charge

Be understanding folks - the people who really caused the problem in the first place are of course the copybot creators - even they are said to be deeply sorry.

Regards

John

I agree, actually. It should also include a reason why this is no longer needed, so those who still have concerns will feel a little less threatened by it.

My issue with Copybot was resolved when Cory posted that it is against the ToS to use the thing. That is all I wanted from the Lindens. I don't expect them to take up the cause of copyright enforcement, but the use of a third party program definitely falls within their sphere of policing.

And if they truly did find a way to break all the versions of copybot with their last update, then kudos for going one step further!

What they did was remove the ability of the CopyBot to specify texture UUID's per prim in the prim creation instruction it was using. While the SL protocol specified it as part of the legal protocol, only CopyBot was actually using this. Turning this feature off surgically removed CopyBot from SL as a threat. CopyBot now transmits instructions that the SL servers simply don't understand. Instead of partially processing the request, the SL servers simply discard the instruction.

So now the only CopyBot threat is these stupid IM spammers that never worked in the first place.

Thank you for explaining this

I can definitely see how the spamming !quit can be very, very, very annoying. *mutters about having to put objects on mute to shut them up* I haven't heard the !quit recently, but that's because most places I am usually at aren't particular fond of spamming anyways.

They didn't say it was against the ToS to simply use it. What he (Cory) said was that it was against to use it (or any other third-party tool) IN violation of the ToS. IE, use it all you want to copy your stuff, or copy other people's stuff who have given you *permission* to do so.



Aye, it will stop the casual users (as if there were that many to begin with), but don't think for one minute that someone hasn't already made a modified version which gets around this change.

Ok, here's my solution to the !quit spam. First off, I want to clarify that NO CopyBots or bots of any sort that are able to connect to Second Life right now will respond to a !quit message from a random user or object. Sending !quit IMs to random people does absolutely nothing at all, and the people buying those scripts are being sold snake oil. Now, on to the response:

http://www.highenergychemistry.com/secondlife/downloads/imresponder-1.0.zip (You will need the .NET 2.0 framework or a recent version of mono installed)

This is a small libsecondlife bot (with a GUI in case you are afraid of the console) that logs in, and will accept teleport offers so you can bring it where you want it. Any time it receives a !quit IM from an object, it will IM the owner with a message explaining that the bot is replying to a message from an object they own, and why they should consider not IMing every random person that walks by. In this message it provides some information to the owner so they are able to track down which object of theirs is sending out the unwanted messages.

Note: This bot will only respond to IMs that are sent to it, it does not initiate any conversations of it's own and is in full compliance with the terms of service.

This works great! I set up a box to send the !quit message to an alt of mine, logged in the alt with eddy's software, and then got this im from my alt.



My world has not crashed! This worked well.

It was fun pushing my alt around!

This should be amusing.

Or, say, you want to copy something you yourself made using an Alt, so that the object now shows one of your other accounts as the creator instead of the original one, for the purposes of marketing. The CopyBot gives you a way to do that.

Or, suppose you've given somebody else a no-mod copy of something you made and deleted the original by mistake - how do you get a moddable copy again? CopyBot to the rescue!

Or, suppose you and your friends have created a complex scene or tableau together and only afterwards realized that all the pieces were made by different people and you can't link everything in place the way you were planning to, without selling a hundred parts to one person, one object at a time? CopyBot would make short work of this problem.

Essentially the new modifications to the ToS spell out clearly that it is now against the Terms of Service to use special software for the purposes of abusing other rules in the Terms of Service. This was a marvelous bit of diplomacy on the part of Linden Labs, but when you look at it closely, it really doesn't change a whole lot. It's always been against the Terms of Service to steal other people's things, so this really just restates what they've already said, adding nothing.

But there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to use CopyBot on your own stuff, and Linden Labs clearly makes this distinction.

I just started playing a few weeks ago. I've visited properties getting spammed by MULTIPLE !quits. Your text box is just a wall of spam. I did all of my research before I even bothered creating something because of what I had been reading. Afterwards, including a google search for topics such as "COPYBOT RUINED ME!" or similar topics, not one person could be found with such a story.

It would be good business in and out of game for Linden to put a close on this matter, about what has been done, and about the uselessness of the !quits other than as a way to annoy neighbors.



While I respect a store owner's rights to protect themselves ( I may have done the same), there comes a time when people need to do a bit of research on their own protection and what it is they are trying to protect themselves against.

They may be said to be deeply sorry, but whoever is saying that is wrong. They are not deeply sorry, or even somewhat sorry, or if they are, they have not said so. Quite the opposite, in fact.

coco

No, this "temporary" measure never worked - the only version of CopyBot that ever responded to the !quit message was the one that you had to explicitly instruct to copy your stuff. It never worked on CopyBots that didn't ask your permission first. The entire CopyBot Remover "fix" was a huge mistake on the part of the creator of the person who came up with this bit of snake-oil, and has probably done vastly more damage and created a great deal more hysteria than the CopyBot itself.

As Domneth correctly points out, acting on rumors and hearsay is hardly as effective as doing one's homework first. Far, far too many people are ready to believe something because "everybody says so", without bothering to find out who exactly "everybody" is.

I AR'ed a few of them (96m scan range, constant IM'ing) and last week those ARs were resolved. Tp'ing to those spots, they're all still there, so it doesn't look like LL cares at all.

I am sorely tempted to wear a script that responds to every single !quit I hear - that spits out a URL that explains that the silly thing does not work. The only problem with that is I'd have to mute myself. igh:

They don't. LL doesn't read their emails for months on end. I've filed bug/abuse reports atleast many times each week for the last few months. I just got a reply from 1 of them last week... Just 1 though! It was originally dated from 2 months ago. We can't blame it on the internet tubes theiry thats for sure...

This is exactly what eddy stryker's new client proggie does. Log out from somewhere, then log in with his program, !quit sender's owner gets a well worded im.

I have noticed that some are spamming !quit on the chat channel. Nothing protects against that!

The !quit message comes in only via IM, so a standard listening script would do nothing. Further, there is no way to script an IM listener.

Sorry, I have myself actually seen the chat channel typing (in green) of some object typing "!quit" repeatedly. Even more useless than the imming object. Wish I had kept a landmark.

Eddy Striker's proggie is not an SL script. It is a full blown windows application requiring only mono or .net to run and behaves to an extent like the standard SL client. You can log in and your av will show up in world, but you cannot move or speak or see. But when the anti copybot object ims it, it will respond as I showed at an earlier post.

I suspect that, like copybot, it will die with the next SL update tomorrow.

Uhmm no. The handler for !quit IM was part of code of the 'original' copybot which was put in the libsl SVN repository and consequently got out from there in compiled form, both in world and slEx. That version of copybot never asked for persmissions to copy, btw.

As such, the !quit messaging did work on the initial 'public' version of copybot, though re-compiling the excutable with support for that particular command changed or removed was fairly easy so that's what (presumably) eventually happened.

Eddy Stryker:

It might be nice to have the code from the IMresponder that identifies the owner of objects sending IMs added into slProxy as it gets upgraded to match the current libsecondlife version.

My next door neighbor has a store on her land with two of the !quit anti-copybot things. The spam is annoying. Tonight, I tried to talk to her about it, and she started telling me how I just wanted to get rid of creative people by not offering them protections, just because the spam annoys me. That if it was that annoying, just go touch a square in the store. That my attitude was get rid of creative people making a living here, rather then be annoyed. However, am I supposed to put up a sign for everyone who visits "If the spam annoys you, go to the store next door and touch the sign"? I am trying to avoid ARing the spam, but with this attitude, I'm not sure I can. I have no bias at all against creative people or those who make a living from that creativity. Lord knows I spend enough in SL. I didn't even ask her to remove them, just see if the spam area can be contained to her land.

PLEASE LINDENS, if it doesn't really even work, release some sort of mass in world statement, (not everyone reads the forums or the blog) because I really don't want to fight my neighbor, but I do expect to enjoy MY property.

Hi,

Don't know exactly where to put this question.
For a couple of months ago i was quit active in Secondlife, i really liked it. I wasn't able (very busy) to get on Secondlife the last few months. While trying to use it again, i get an error every time, i downloaded it over and over again, but every time i get the following error; 'Critical Error Unable to start networking, error 2'. I manage to log in, but are unable to open Secondlife, i really hope someone can help me further, so i will be able to use Secondlife !!!

Thank you in advance!

Kind regards,
Eva

LOL

This all sounds insane.

Do I really want to come back with all the stuff going on these days? (I dunno ... I lose my phone line until they finish digging up the road and it all goes even MORE gaga!)

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Eva have you tried uninstalling and doing a fresh download?