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Trevor Langdon

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06-09-2007 09:27

From: VooDoo Bamboo

I would bet my life that everything is logged if only to save their Linden Butts if the law needs those records for some reson. They may not keep them log but I bet they have them.

Yes, my thoughts too. Also, when compressed that text chat will be manageable and occupy just a fraction of the uncompressed space.

Adz Childs

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Join date: 6 Apr 2006

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06-09-2007 09:49

From: Trevor Langdon

Yes, my thoughts too. Also, when compressed that text chat will be manageable and occupy just a fraction of the uncompressed space.

It would be smarter to have a strict retention policy. All logs and emails are deleted after 1 year on a rolling basis. This way, when a court subpoenas records from them, they can safely say "we'd love to, but we deleted them just like we do with all emails and chat logs over one year old. nothing special about THESE logs at all... move along."

Aminom Marvin

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06-09-2007 10:32

I agree. Erased is a horrible place to buy from =D

Raudf Fox

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06-09-2007 13:06

From: Zaphod Kotobide

Off topic, but since this thread isn't good for much else anyway- I find it really difficult to believe that every chat and every IM is logged by Linden Lab's servers. That would require an insane amount of storage capacity in the database. Is there anyone who can confirm that all of it actually *is* logged? 40,000 plus residents all yammering away 7 days a week 24 hours a day? Even if over 24 hours it averages 30k.. that's astronomical.

If my experience with chat logging is any example, I agree. It seems rather an insane waste of resources to do this, because even with only 20 people chatting it and having that chat converted into a timestamped word file, I ran my game out of storage after two days.

But here's the thing, in my case, I wasn't required by law to keep some form of record of all 'chat'. I think Linden Labs is required to, in case of prosecution. It wouldn't be stored on the asset server, but probably a smaller system that sorts and stores everything in the most efficient manner possible. The program I was using wasn't efficient at all

Do I think they read all these logs? Only if they were extremely bored. I just set my word program to search a specific name and didn't bother with anything else. I imagine they do the same, except again, they might have a program to do it for them.

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06-09-2007 15:18

From: Kitty Barnett

[...]On-topic: Don't ever buy anything from someone who isn't well-known, there is absolutely no protection for consumers.

This is completely understandable, and completely discouraging to anybody with a creative idea for a new product. Ultimately, it's not the fault of the "consumer" focus of that quote, but that of disreputable merchants and their abuses. But it's really the most disheartening thing I've seen in or about SL, ever.

Zaphod Kotobide

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06-09-2007 18:08

With all due respect to Kitty, it's bad advice. Rather, do your homework, avoid disreputable merchants, and spend your money where you feel confident you're getting a fair deal. There are MANY content creators out there less than a year old, with hardly any reputation at all, who are doing GREAT things. They deserve our business.

From: Qie Niangao

This is completely understandable, and completely discouraging to anybody with a creative idea for a new product. Ultimately, it's not the fault of the "consumer" focus of that quote, but that of disreputable merchants and their abuses. But it's really the most disheartening thing I've seen in or about SL, ever.

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Trevor Langdon Second Life Resident Join date: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 149	06-09-2007 09:27 From: VooDoo Bamboo I would bet my life that everything is logged if only to save their Linden Butts if the law needs those records for some reson. They may not keep them log but I bet they have them. Yes, my thoughts too. Also, when compressed that text chat will be manageable and occupy just a fraction of the uncompressed space.
Adz Childs Artificial Boy Join date: 6 Apr 2006 Posts: 865	06-09-2007 09:49 From: Trevor Langdon Yes, my thoughts too. Also, when compressed that text chat will be manageable and occupy just a fraction of the uncompressed space. It would be smarter to have a strict retention policy. All logs and emails are deleted after 1 year on a rolling basis. This way, when a court subpoenas records from them, they can safely say "we'd love to, but we deleted them just like we do with all emails and chat logs over one year old. nothing special about THESE logs at all... move along."
Aminom Marvin Registered User Join date: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 520	06-09-2007 10:32 I agree. Erased is a horrible place to buy from =D
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	06-09-2007 13:06 From: Zaphod Kotobide Off topic, but since this thread isn't good for much else anyway- I find it really difficult to believe that every chat and every IM is logged by Linden Lab's servers. That would require an insane amount of storage capacity in the database. Is there anyone who can confirm that all of it actually is logged? 40,000 plus residents all yammering away 7 days a week 24 hours a day? Even if over 24 hours it averages 30k.. that's astronomical. If my experience with chat logging is any example, I agree. It seems rather an insane waste of resources to do this, because even with only 20 people chatting it and having that chat converted into a timestamped word file, I ran my game out of storage after two days. But here's the thing, in my case, I wasn't required by law to keep some form of record of all 'chat'. I think Linden Labs is required to, in case of prosecution. It wouldn't be stored on the asset server, but probably a smaller system that sorts and stores everything in the most efficient manner possible. The program I was using wasn't efficient at all Do I think they read all these logs? Only if they were extremely bored. I just set my word program to search a specific name and didn't bother with anything else. I imagine they do the same, except again, they might have a program to do it for them. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	06-09-2007 15:18 From: Kitty Barnett [...]On-topic: Don't ever buy anything from someone who isn't well-known, there is absolutely no protection for consumers. This is completely understandable, and completely discouraging to anybody with a creative idea for a new product. Ultimately, it's not the fault of the "consumer" focus of that quote, but that of disreputable merchants and their abuses. But it's really the most disheartening thing I've seen in or about SL, ever.
Zaphod Kotobide zOMGWTFPME! Join date: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,087	06-09-2007 18:08 With all due respect to Kitty, it's bad advice. Rather, do your homework, avoid disreputable merchants, and spend your money where you feel confident you're getting a fair deal. There are MANY content creators out there less than a year old, with hardly any reputation at all, who are doing GREAT things. They deserve our business. From: Qie Niangao This is completely understandable, and completely discouraging to anybody with a creative idea for a new product. Ultimately, it's not the fault of the "consumer" focus of that quote, but that of disreputable merchants and their abuses. But it's really the most disheartening thing I've seen in or about SL, ever. _____________________ From: Albert Einstein Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them.

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