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Can we have a increase of groups

Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 06:55
I know I spoke out agianst group increases. But since there is a ever growing number of clubs, business etc. 25 just does not offer enough. A increast of at most 5 group would be good.........



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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-10-2007 07:00
From: Usagi Musashi
I know I spoke out agianst group increases. But since there is a ever growing number of clubs, business etc. 25 just does not offer enough. A increast of at most 5 group would be good.........



Usagi


Or, just finally do away with the asinine limit altogether. How about that?
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Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 07:05
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Or, just finally do away with the asinine limit altogether. How about that?


Thought about that. But who wants to scroll thou unlimited. Besides not sure if the servers can take the stress if at one point we reach 10,000,000 avies on sl.
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08-10-2007 07:07
/139/c6/128831/1.html

Kelly Linden stated here at the time and i quote:

"In the current production release there is a technical reason why groups can not go above 15. That has been fixed in 1.12.

In 1.12 groups suddenly become much more complex. Until we have a chance to evaluate the load they will generate in production we still need to keep the cap low. However at the same time we do recognize the need for more groups. So we are upping the limit to 25 until we get a better feel for what the system can handle and what we would need to do to increase that limit.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-10-2007 07:07
From: Usagi Musashi
Thought about that. But who wants to scroll thou unlimited. Besides not sure if the servers can take the stress if at one point we reach 10,000,000 avies on sl.


You don't really have to scroll through people's groups, checking out what groups they are in. Honestly I wouldn't care if groups weren't public knowledge to begin with. But why should I have to manage my groups like walking on razor wire so that someone else doesn't have to flick their mouse wheel a couple extra times when snooping on me?
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Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 07:21
From: Reitsuki Kojima
You don't really have to scroll through people's groups, checking out what groups they are in. Honestly I wouldn't care if groups weren't public knowledge to begin with.?


Not talking about hidden groups. what i concern with if its unlimited scolling wil be a problem. Unless we have some sort of search within the profile to locate a group in it.
Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 07:22
Not sure if we can handle unlimted groups, but a few more groups would be goodl. Until they get their ASSest figures out.
Sioban McMahon
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08-10-2007 07:26
From: Reitsuki Kojima
You don't really have to scroll through people's groups, checking out what groups they are in. Honestly I wouldn't care if groups weren't public knowledge to begin with. But why should I have to manage my groups like walking on razor wire so that someone else doesn't have to flick their mouse wheel a couple extra times when snooping on me?



For the most part, I agree with you. I do, however, check a person's groups before sending them an invitation to join to see if they are already a member.
Warda Kawabata
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08-10-2007 07:27
Each time you enter a sim the data on ALL the groups you are in has to get transmitted and cross-indexed against the parcels against the sim. Apparently, the increase in data load is exponential for the number of groups you have, making the system very sensitive to extra groups.
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Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 07:37
shakeshead all is known about that......But reality is we need more groups. The world is larger and more and more groups are created..........As I said If you read my first post I was not in favor of group increases . But its harder and harder to add groups now since avies are reach 9 million and 10 million is apond us.

we need a increase reguardless

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Tomas Gandini
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08-10-2007 07:38
The limit probably has more to do with poor database design and a Mickey Mouse database than anything else.
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Nina Stepford
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08-10-2007 07:43
i think they need to work out a better system than the current groups. something better geared toward renting would be a great start. as it is i am very limited on the number of locations i can place vendors. then take into account my groups for my own tenants and my landholdings and soon im out of groups and having to burden the system with alts.
Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 07:47
Group mangement is what some are calling for. Sub group in groups, that will solve a few problems.Not what we have today, but a better oranzation what we have now. We need more groups..........
Isablan Neva
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08-10-2007 08:43
Gawd no. What we need is the ability to turn off group IM spam.
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Conan Godwin
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08-10-2007 08:57
I can't see any reason for there to be a limit at all either. Although, at last count I think I was a member of about 5 groups in all.
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Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 09:14
We need a better system or more groups. either way we need some sort of increase.
Kitty Barnett
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08-10-2007 09:48
I proposed resident feeds (/13/b7/164628/1.html) a while back, which should be a viable alternative to "notice only" groups.

I don't think we really need more groups, but rather an alternative, since quite a lot of "groups" out there don't really need to be a group.

That, or just make having 50 groups a premium perk, that would take care of scalability issues.

From: Nina Stepford
i think they need to work out a better system than the current groups. something better geared toward renting would be a great start. as it is i am very limited on the number of locations i can place vendors. then take into account my groups for my own tenants and my landholdings and soon im out of groups and having to burden the system with alts.
You don't need to stay in a group to drop off a vendor.

Join the group, put everything out, and then leave the group works fine too. Obviously it's an added hassle for the group owner to reinvite you if you ever need to add something else.
Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 10:09
Shakeshead....................I want to drink what your having :rolleyes:
Nina Stepford
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08-10-2007 11:01
i am embarrassed to admit it had never occured to me to do such a thing!
youve always got great answers :)
From: Kitty Barnett
You don't need to stay in a group to drop off a vendor.

Join the group, put everything out, and then leave the group works fine too. Obviously it's an added hassle for the group owner to reinvite you if you ever need to add something else.
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08-10-2007 11:01
This is a proposal in JIRA. Login and vote for it if it's important to you. :)



https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-208
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Scott Tureaud
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08-10-2007 11:06
yes premiums getting a bonus to the number of groups they can be in would be a great boon.
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Sue Saintlouis
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08-10-2007 11:22
Yes!!! More groups would be so useful! Anyone who does business in SL and is socially active needs more than 25 groups!

I agree, group IMs are a a pain, especially since you can close them...they keep re-opening!
Jana Crispien
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08-10-2007 11:28
I'm almost desperate enough to start an alt just for my groups. For the last two months or so, I've had to leave a group at least once a week to accommodate another. It takes a lot of groups to be a seller, content creator, dragon, and fashionista! But I really don't want to make an alt. I just want more groups!

(I am logging in at the JIRA as we speak to vote on the issue.)
Usagi Musashi
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08-10-2007 22:19
I understand that loads are larger then before. BUT thats not our problem its llabs. They took away rates because of Load not look? did it really help no. Reguards of tht last remark we need more groups. LLAbs must find a way to get this done. If this was 2 years ago. I say 25 is enough, but this is AUG 2007! We have more business more shops, clubs etc. 25 just does not cut it anymore. You wanted growth LLABS you have it now! Now give us what we need! Your giving us shit we don`t want but for atleast once in your blown fuse minds GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. :mad:

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Sae Luan
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08-10-2007 22:28
They should let people who need them opt for them. I know I had a vendor once who had to continuously leave and rejoin groups because she had so many vendors. People like that should be able to tack on even more than 5 more than what it is now.
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