Eliminate Transfer Permissions?

if i had to choose, i'd perfer to see an end to no-trans.
no-copy is evil.

I prefer to be able to give gifts, so transfer is very important to me. I could count the times on one hand I have used mod permissions. Copy, I only use in building or decorating.

Hmmm, has it occured to you that, without transfer permissions, you will not be able to give your customers the items that they paid for? There will in fact, be no more buying, selling, or trading of any kind? DUH!

Look at the consequences of having that apply to ALL of the SL objects:

You could not buy textures or scripts from others to use in products you resell because you can't transfer anything. Is everyone ready to start doing their own scripting and texture designing?

Not everyone has the finicial means to protect their IP, to pay for court cost.
What about those who can't afford to spend thousand in protecting their IP rights?
If people could afford court cost over things in SL there would be more legal actions against residents, including even LL.

absolutely not. If someone needs to change accounts for whatever reason they should be able to transfer their inventory to that account and not have to re-buy it all. I can see perfectly well how some peopl might want to change accounts to escape an ex...a group...etc...


In addition I really like to be able to give gifts personally. (rather than have the creator give them for me.) I think Nefertiti and Natasja both have good points.

Well, not quite. The OP surely refers to "Next Owner Permissions" so the original Creator of an item could still sell it. But s/he couldn't use any purchased or free textures, animations, scripts, sounds, etc. in anything s/he sold or gave away. So it's a Very Bad Idea for anything except *possibly* non-prim clothes and body parts (for which it's only a silly idea, imho).

(Come to think of it, though, this would solve a lot of problems: no more sleazy reselling of freebies, cuz, hey! no freebies! And there'd be hardly anything worth buying, so all the troubles with acquiring L$s would be irrelevant. )

Always transferable? What a strange assertion. I have purchased copy/no-transfer furniture. It may not be the norm, but it certainly exists.

Yeah, in most cases I loathe nocopy/trans, but transfer's gotta stay around because there are so many good reasons to have it, the greatest of which (IMO) is the sharing of fun items with friends.

Everyone knows that transfer can be abused by people selling freebies or turning around things they buy for a higher amount (thus exploiting people who aren't aware that the thing could be had for a lower price elsewhere), but I can only imagine how sad and dull SL would become if no one could share all the wonderful free stuff which makes hanging out on the grid more enjoyable.

Goodness knows that, these days, no one's content is safe anyway, even if one does set perms to no-trans. Kinda puts a new perspective on the issue.

depends a lot on the item and what you do with it really. i sell stuff that is highly modifiable and wearable so I have to give copy permissions so people don't have to worry about screwing the original. so no, no transfer.

but the more options available the better. for example an input like the price but for how many times the next owner could copy it or transfer it... would be cool...

Disagree with the op purely because if I want to buy someone a gift, then I need to be able to transfer it.

Hmm.. I prefer copy/no-trans simply because LL is so fickle about losing things. I sell things that are copy/no-trans, especially those that have prim attachments, so people can mod them to fit and if they break them, they can pull out another copy and not have IM me or wait for a new one.

This doesn't mean I won't buy things that are no-copy/trans or sell them. My eyes are no-copy/transfer for example. And I do by clothing that are no-copy.. but I have to be willing to lose the thing if SL decides to lose them.

EXACTLY Susie - If I buy something it is mine and I can give it away if I want to!!! Transfer is very important to me so that I can give gifts etc.

Oh and



Try reading this thread




Yes, please do!

So...

The permissions you want now were available then, but... you didn't use the permissions that were available to you, and got burned because you didn't think about the implications of what you were doing.

As a result...

You think permissions you don't like should be taken away from everyone else who has been using them successfully, for... what reason?

Sorry, that logic fails. Hard.

Funny. I've got tons of copyable furniture. Some places deliberately sell it both ways; cheaper if you only want one, slightly more expensive if you want the ability to furnish your whole house / sim / whatever with it.

I would say no copy/trans is more common on furniture, yes, but it isn't even close to "always".

I don't really sell much with trans rights as I set more of my stuff for copy however I see no problem with giving people the option to set to trans if they want to. What would be the point of taking that away? Its still your choice on perms.

Well, you'd put me and anyone else in the 'gift' industry out of business, for a start...

Without transfer permissions people can't buy Greetings Cards, gifts, flowers...etc, and then give them to their friend. Things that they would never intend to keep for themselves (well, except maybe the flowers

Also, with transfer, the Main with the money can buy stuff for an Alt without having to pass L$ & a LM, log out, log in again...

your idea falls apart when I hire an animator to make animations for my product, or when a scripter hires me to build a model. If the "buyer" can't ever be allowed to resell.... you've effectively destroyed the best part of the SL economy.. collaboration.

You create a situation where no one can ever be hired as a sim designer, unless they themselves made all the roads, buildings, and plants. Because they can never transfer those items to the client.

You also destroy the "collectable" market. All of Starax's sculptures, for example, could never be resold. People would be more hesitant to invest in large business setups, because they wouldn't be able to sell off all the transferrable stuff if the venture failed (most high quality bondage equipment is transferrable, as is most high end "sex furniture".) So if your 30 room, sim-sized whorehouse fails.. you can always sell the furniture and at least cut your losses.

Transfer is nice if one wants to give a gift...as pointed out before, giving the $$$ is not the same.

There's a thread on this very topic in re clothing perms. Buut, You hit the nail on the head Joy. I love giving out full perm copies of stuff Linus T style when I like. And I wouldn't change that for the world.

If you don't want an item just delete it. No transfer, no copy, no sale are in place to protect intellectual property rights the same as on CDs, artwork, publications, and the myriad of other items created by indivduals in RL. It is a pain if you want to purchase something as a gift but you might concider taking them to the store, showing them the item, transfering funds, and letting them buy it.

Huh? And how is that an argument in favour of removing the option of transfer rights for creators who want to use it? And I've never heard of No transfer, no sale rights in RL. If I buy a CD or a book I have EVERY right to sell it or give it away. I just can't copy it and sell copies. That's one of the reasons I use no-copy / transfer on things I sell in SL.

Another argument for transfer permission: currently, the only method to back up your work is to give full perm copies to an alt. In case of inventory loss, you can trade it back and keep selling the item. Wouldn't be possible if the trade perm was automatically removed.

I also work together with other designers sometimes. They do the prim design + texturing, give me the permission to edit their works and I add the scripts. They wouldn't be able to sell the ware if my scripts were not both copy- and tradeable.

I guess yard sales should be banned in RL, then, too? I bought a lot of clothes when I was new....nice things, but I have more money/lindens available now, so have been able to buy even better quality and more expensive items. I really hate just deleting something that I've paid for. I had a friend start SL who had very limited lindens, and I helped her out by transferring some of my transferable items, which were overall better than freebies. What's wrong with that? The creator/seller still was paid for that item. When I buy something in RL, then choose to sell it to someone else, who's business is that? The original seller still received the money they charged for the item. I have several transferable items now boxed up and am thinking about renting a small shop for some of my own creations, with a "yard sale" area for transferable items. I have them all priced at well below what I paid for them. Why can't someone else get use from them? Most of these items are relatively old, and the particular tiem or style is no longer even in the store of the original seller, so they are losing nothing. They sold the item to me, I paid for it....they got what they charged for it. I would never represent an item as my creation, but would hate to think all of my money was "wasted" because I deleted that item from my inventory. And I try very hard to keep my inventory at a decent level, because it DOES affect the performance of SL on my computer when my inventory reaching a certain limit. I'm a packrat in RL, and just hate throwing something usable away. I feel the same way about deleting things in SL that I won't use/wear anymore. When my daughter was young, she wouldn't have had half the clothes she had if it wasn't for consignment shops, reuzit stores and friends giving me hand-me-downs. I look at SL items the same way.