Should I trust SLBB?

There is no power though this is the point. Anyhow I"m not ready to desert an idea that is needed. Honestly I see a lot of people who dont want any change and want to maintain some status quo and I know I wont convince you about anything and I dont really want to know all the sordid details because honestly its not my business. I dont look at a single complaint as something to worry about though and I dont think anyone will. I look at a guy with like 20-30 complaints over the space of 6 months is obviously a problem. I also dont know the details of the removal of detailso ther then what I have seen talked about which is that they didn't want to leave all the he said she said stuf fup there and when a concern was expressed on that issue in this forum and links to the real BBB shown as how its done it seemed very coincidental that suddenly the format of the complaints page changes to reflect that of the BBB almost identically the only thing it lacks is a search engine.

Its not a black list as in uninvestigated stuff and a dumping ground this much I know hehe. I'm not sure how anyone would expect it to be handled someone went to the SLBBB obviously about something that happened with you and filled out a form they obviously contacted you and it was dealt with. So since a complaint was filed it went up on their database even though its tiny at this point.

In any event a lot of people are scared of a lot of things at this point and this is one more detail. I want to see SL evolve no one else has come forward with another version of the BBB maybe it would be better I dont kow but in the absence of anyone else challenging the system (or lack of it) these guys have done a lot of work. Anyhow I know nothing I say will change what you feel I also know what I feel which is well like people are being ripped off left right and center I feel it because I see it happen. I want to do something contstructive so I have joined this group I dont want to just sit and complain about it and appeal to various providers of "sl services" not linden labs but the businesses inside the game to do SOMETHING. Everyone says they have no control well we do have some form of control in the form of an internal control and we need to use it in some form. I want to be a part of a group that self regulates its business activities and offers ethical products that are not stolen or freebies this is the only group that offers that and honestly I'm tired of being alone battling the endless scams and newest method of ripping some content creator of this week. It sucks.

I also know one of the people that went to the SLBB and they were indeed scammed with freebies and stuff and paid money for it so I dont know how bogus complaints are either. I can only go by my gut at this point I have only a lot of words heresay and no one has presented any real proof to me that basically is irrefutable that anyone has done anything wrong or icky or whatever I only see what has been done and its quite a lot.

All this busswords and cliche sayings about power and corruption are fine, but the bottom line is any business group that does this kind of stuff has ZERO power they can't force anyone to do anything this is the whole point.

I can also see they are a brave group to found this honestly because they are going to get slammed which is sad really. I just look at the founding members and larger members etc when I see simone designs and other larger business people in that group well its means something to me. A lot of members are very ethical people who conduct a lot of business in SL they have a lot to loose by being a member of a bogus group I dont see them leaving..


Wow I wrote a book sorry lol

Wow, sounds like Jimmy Hoffa era Teamsters Union kind of corruption (minus the dead bodies, broken legs, and other violent acts).


I read what Wilhelm Neumann wrote (mainly the one above my post) and it came across as a talking points memo for a political organization.

Just like in real politics, enough lobbying and money can make any figure head turn trick. The SLBB isn't any different.

There have been a number of complaints against the SLBB (on this forum and others) to warrant skepticism and criticism. Their voices should be viewed on equal footing as statements made by the SLBB and it's members regardless of how big or influential they may be (that is unless such statements from either party can be proven to be given under false pretenses).

I notice a couple slip ups in documentation on the SLBB website mentioning themselves as the "Better Business Bureau" and not the Second Life Business Bureau. This would definitely be a trademark infringement against the actual BBB.

The SLBB has quite a bit of kinks to work out to gain legitimacy among the general SL populace. Not only that, the SLBB "business bureau" moniker doesn't quite live up to real Better Business Bureau™ at its current state.

It is the perception of power they have and the conceit to abuse it.

Groups like slbb count on the general public taking on this sheep-like attitude and not questionning their actions. See no evil.


How many valid complaints will it take for you to officially worry that these people are corrupt?

No business is going to allow these people to slander them 30 times. That's what lawyers are for.

The founder refused to include my un-edited replies to the slbb board member's complaint because my full comments were valid retorts.


Wonders how you know this.


A slbb board member sent the founder to me. I also wonder how they could have avoided corruption. When the founder told me that she was friends with the complainer I knew she was biased and should not be argiung his case to me for 45 minutes. That is when I asked for a mediator and was totally ignored.


I challenge the system. And hopefully other residents will be brave enough to challenge this crew. Happily my documentation and correspondence to Linden Lab founders was taken seriously enough for Linden Lab to distancing themselves from this group by making them change their name. Hopefully they will disband and go back to doing whatever it was they were doing before the founder came up with this extortion scheme.


Your not seeing the forest because of the trees Wilhelm. Scratch and sniff. Something smells with these 7 people. It is the stench of corruption. Amending one closed claim 5 times in 9 days is a red flag. But you do not want to accept that there are improprieties with their process. You would rather just continue to fund them and blindly defend them in these forums. Scary.


I presented that real proof to you Wilhelm but your not posting here to acknowledge anything that does not support these 7.



They have the power to edit written responses and add slander to closed complaints. The residents and Linden Lab are powerless to stop them from adding whatever they want to their website.


But some very ethical SL business' that have been in SL longer have left the slbb - including one board member because of the corruption. This is not suppose to be a fanclub. It is suppose to be a impartial oversight body for business and consumers in SL. It is far from that. And with the present group blindly following this founder, it cannot happen.

well i'm gonna respond quickly because you im'ed me inworld

its clear your angry about this but at the same time only see two people posting here no one defending you or them just us

so i don't think this is a fan club its two people having a conversation on a message board

in any event I am on my way to work and sorry i had to shut the window so fast but i hate leaving im's to pile up so i login and answer them quickly

I look into stuff before i join them I'm actually a pretty good "sleuth" and people do hate me for that at times because i developed a nasty habit of being right in regards to some things and have gottne yelled at and called all kinds of names only to watch that person get egg on their face so i'm kinda used to it

In this case I will repeat again and then i'm not going to bother any longer with this thread because we are both saying the same thing over and over again

I have looked into them before I joined them I spent quite awhile ruminating over them and finally joined due to being fed up at being isolated and alone in a game where no one wants to work with anyone else. I saw no dirt of any substance I see one guy who left a group because he didn't like the way some other guy who didn't know any better not to blurt out his unhappiness at being ripped off. I see one other person following up who got written up and I know what I saw on the site at first and didnt join because of it but when i talked to people afterwards about it they had been in the process of changing it.

This place to me is like a giant experiment and I joined slbb because its part of the experiment and to not always be alone and isolated. YOucan call me a sheep or whatever but again I will reitterate not one person has come forward with anything other then you and you actually aren't saying anything other then they are "bad" . People say that about 99% of the people in this game

recently I joined a group because hatred seems to be the way things go called hated = successful by default. At present I see no other reason that they or myself should be hated because honestly I haven't seen them do anything wrong

they dont just dump the names on there they take time to sort through it. either party could be lying that is why BBB is kinda taken with a grain of salt in real world as well so again I take all listings about businesses with a grain of salt yours included. one LIsting is not what i consider a bad business so look at me what you wish but i'm being a whole lot more diplomatic with you then you are with me

your now calling me a sheep so since htis is degrading into personality attacks I withdraw from this thread to leave you to your name calling

bye

Its a quote from -

Juvenal

Satire XVI