Why people think SL is only for sex....

I think you are on to something here Victoria.

There's a big difference between being direct, and directly inflammatory. I think Squeeze knows it too.

Phew...I was beginning to think there was something wrong with my libido cause no way can I get off on seeing a avatar sex and believe me Ive tried

Actually, you ARE building something when you build in SL. It may not physically exist, but it still exists. The house in SL is "real" in so much as it's actually there in the environment you see it in.

Also, the store is actually there. I'm actually selling things and people can go there to buy things or hang out (come to Squeeze One Plaza <--subliminal message). Paperwork is irrelevant since the law doesn't designate if something is real or not.

And there is a form of paperwork through having to pay for the land and paying for it's search listing.

Just because the form of currency has no RL$ value (sorta) and objects created in SL can't be touched by the human hand doesn't mean they aren't there...otherwise what are you doing on your computer all day??

Sex in SL isn't actually sex. It's sitting on poseballs and typing to each other. It's talking about sex...yet none of the physical results of sex are there. Your av won't get pregnant or an STD unless you attach various scripted items to simulate such a thing.

Business is still business in SL...it's just subject to different rules.

-I make a product.
-You pay me money.
-I give you the product.
-You have a product (unless SL messes up the inventory).

It may be virtual but it's not fake. Otherwise web sites would be considered fake as would music, paintings, photos, etc. since they don't physically exist anywhere other than on/in the device that conveys them to us.

Sex occupies both the physical world and the mental/spiritual/emotional world just like we do. That's why it's so riveting, compelling and addicting.

well good point - but its also true the default skins dont look very caucasion either - they more look bizaro human.

But they do look more caucasion than African , thats for sure.

Too bad Linden Labs didnt secretly offer some decent $$ to a skin designer to offer a (muted) version of some quality skins as defaults.

Yes, and Im pretty sure he is the one of those two he happens to be .. on purpose.

See my post to Kitty for more information.

No.

Your virtual business in SL is a purveyor of pixels viewed on a screen, just like every other business in SL.

The things that are sold in SL are also all just as physical as sex is in First Life -- a house is "physical", as is a piece of furniture, a martini, a painting, a hot tub. Drawing a distinction between the way these virtual objects are used in SL and the way sex takes place in SL simply doesn't hold water. If SL sex is "fake" because it is missing the physical component found in First Life sex, then SL pizza is fake for the same reason. In fact, and since we are comparing these, I would say that SL sex is much more compelling than SL furniture, because the sex is much more interactive with my brain, involves coming to know another person, and is very emotionally and psychologically intimate, at least as I do it.

Whereas a virtual piece of furniture is just a bunch of static pixels.

They did, sorta. They just asked for us to donate skins to be included in the starter library. But between competing against one's own work or deliberately dumbing down something to make it less attractive, neither option sounded particularly good to me, and I suspect for most other skin designers as well.

Yeah youd deserve real money for it.

Its a shame since your African skins are very realisitic.

It's what you say and the connection you make, not the cartoons. Or so I have been told.

No doubt in my mind, Colette.

Ok I did nothing but snigger when i tried the pixsex thing too....i wont even apologise about it either, it was hilarious. I came to SL because of the 'create' hook and thats what Ive tried to do ever since joining.
I read this forum post because although most of my friends are into creating and not into the pixsex we all find that in search and many other places in SL when youre looking for a specific build tool whatever....its sex sex sex in youre face.
I dont think this is a Disney world and resent the suggestion that as a person not interested in pixsex that Im somehow naive. If ppl want to dress up as dragons/ferrets/teapots and have pixsex I have no problem with it at all, Id just like not to be swamped with it all the time so that it 'seems' like SL is about nothing but sex.

Oh, I never thought of it that way!




Pizza in SL is fake, but the collection of shapes and colors put together to resemble a pizza are real just like data on a hard drive is real.

Yet sex can't be classified like that. It's an action as well as a chemical reaction both in the brain and in the genitals. Buildings and commerce can't be compared.

Building in SL is like painting, photography or music. A painting isn't the paint or the brush strokes or the canvas. A photograph isn't the negative or the camera or the paper it's on. Music isn't a series of sound waves or an mp3 file.

Sex in SL requires attachments and typing...things you have to purchase. Your Xcite parts and whatnot actually exist...but they are objects for simulation within SL. Sex in RL just requires two people to show up.

You don't understand the concept I outlined for you yet. You're discounting the required physical and chemical components of sex and trying to pass it off as being mostly psychological. Two people could even masturbate in the same room but that isn't actually sex.

What you posted really boils down to that one line. I really fail to see a difference between virtual and fake when you're talking about a simulation, except that fake will have a condescending connotation to it.

Exactly. How wonderful that you agree that the sharing of emotional intimacy between two people is more than just the tubes and pumps required for the physical act!

Oh..but wait...you want to classify sex as a strictly physical action that occurs between two organic creatures? Fine. Then a photograph or a painting IS just a collection of random colors and shapes. It's got no meaning because ... *gasp* It ain't the REAL thing! It's just a big old fake! It's fake trees and fake water and fake bushes and mountains and people! Fake, fake, fakey, fakeity fake.

Those *silly* fakers. *Rolls eyes* Not to be offensive, but all that fakery just isn't MY cup of tea! *sniffs*



Err...sex in sl does NOT require attachments. Just a little imagination. Hell...you don't even need to purchase a premium account to slap pixels. All you need is the right kind of attitude and imagination.

Ya don't like it...*shrugs* don't do it. But don't climb on a high horse and snidely belittle others who've found a way to enjoy themselves. Claming you're doing anything other than that is...well...it's fake.

Laughing while your cybering becuase you cant get into it - is different than laughing AT someone you are doing it with.

And its measurably different than laughing at the person you are doing it with for enjoying it.

Both - in my opinion - are worse then even laughing at others you dont know for liking cybersex, which I still think is rather immature.

Becuase that person is sharing something of themself with you, its not something that should be ridiculed.

So I dont think the fact you laughed at the situation is a big deal.

Thats a bit different than example calling over room mates to laugh, and to laugh about someone getting into it with them.

That's not at all what I said. You've got to look at my entire arguement, not just the parts that serve your purposes.



It requires a computer and keyboard, though. How else do you convey your imagined thoughts? Keep trying...



Pay attention dumbshit. I'm not belittling anyone (except for you right now). This debate of what's fake and what's not was thrust upon me. People decided to take offense and dissect my choices of words instead of look at what I was actually saying with them.

If you like it go for it. I do shit you guys probably don't like but I don't need to validate it by attacking anyone that doesn't feel the same way I do about it.

Whatever materials you use to build in SL are just a simulation of RL materials, that real builders, who really know how to build, and use real tools, and have real money to fund their real projects. So compared to that you aren't really doing anything, but wasting time. (that's my direct opinion..or maybe, directly inflammatory?)

The difference between that and cyber sex, is that the two or more, people sitting at the keyboards REALLY get arroused. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

For the record all the fake computer sex that was had was with a call girl that I actually convinced not to charge me and this chick I knew that thought it was funny as. They weren't actually into it. In fact, they may not have even been real women. I never wanted to know!

"I'm so much better than you for you thinking you're so much better than someone even though I don't know enough of the story to actually draw any substantial conclusions. You're so shallow, Squeeze." -Colette

Why did you even put your 2 cents in then?

The data actually exists, though. Remember, a painting isn't the paint or the canvas.



Being aroused doesn't make it sex. It makes it group masturbating. Which is cool if you dig it.

Read the whole thread if you want to know how the conversation went.

I can't believe how stupid some of you people are on here. Get a fucking clue...

What difference does that make? Call Girls aren't people now?

And you implied it happened more than once, by the way.

Its also the second time you brought the same story up on the forums - I didnt bother commenting the first time.

I see. It was "thrust upon you" and people "decided to take offense". Hardly.

You were snide, and used a deliberately belittling tone. And people called you on it. You slapped together an argument so riddled with fallacious logic and reasoning that it leaks like a seive, and people took it apart.

You don't get anything "thrust upon you" here. You choose your words carefully or you don't. And people don't "decide to take offense" they become offended because of something you said.

You've already defined what you consider "sex", and everyone knows it. Continuing to refer to it in a derogatory manner is just trolling.

And deciding to call me a name in your reply...just makes you a potty-mouth, too.

I win.

/me walks away from this thread

imogen