Real life business being ruined by attacks?

sure i have several suggestions:

1. do not depend of sl to pay sl
2. do NOT depend of sl to pay your bills
3. take your responsabilities and do not throw the fault on someone, even if justified,
4. sl is risky, unstable,can in theory close at any moment and let you in the cold, so be prepared to lose everything.
5. nobody will pay your bills or protect you if you put yourself in a bad position
6. have fun before even thinking about making money
7. if you think small, you will only deserve small
8. a devil pact can help to push the odds to your side.

well i haven't much business wise advice, exepted for 50% of what i see, you really gotta have to make better than that


took me more than one year of work

ooh i forgot a last point:
9. dont reproduce dumbly what the others are doing, itsnot like if experimenting uncertain niches was that costly in sl

She is asking for people whose buisnesses have been effected by the grid attacks that have been happenign lately. it sounds as if YOU are looking to complain. please let her do her survey. last time i checked, this was still a place to get opinions and help.

chill seola and take your happy pills

Yes, you see even Kyrah's more 'dooming' list of things about SL is helpful. Nothing like being prepared. Ty, Maggie for ur support!

But I still think that things like what happened today can be avoided or made less.
Yes, it appears that SL is unstable, but people still can't wait to get back on this horse no matter how many times it throws them. So, it's well worth trying to tame.

Perhaps a less technological, but more psychological defense can be made. In part, by allowing groups to vent in more constructive ways. Not to patronize, but to lend them an ear. The company doesn't seem to have an ear to spare, so I'd suggest the business community enlarge on the events listings with weekly roundtables. Yes, it'd be time consuming, but it may be a working idea.

There should be expert or skillful moderators at the roundtables to have them be more constructive sources for changing attitudes, rather than discussions that give birth to future grid attackers.

"6. have fun before even thinking about making money"

Never have truer words been said.

If you're in SL as a "home business" then log off right now. If you're in it to have fun, make friends, and have a lot of interesting visual experiencess.. then hop on in! that said.. I just made a car with a friend.. took us about 2 weeks of working on and off. It's a good car, and priced affordably.. andwe stand to make a few bucks off it.. at least enough to pay for some other good times in the game...

but the best part about it was the chance to work closely with a friend, and bounce ideas off each other.. developing the best car we could both manage. Making good ads and stuff, and showing it off, and all around, everyone who sees it or gets a ride in it, has a better day because of it.

Would I be glad if the car sales paid my rent in RL for a couple of months? heck yes I would...

Am I going to get ticked off if SL shuts down tomorrow? probably.. but only because me and my friends can't hang out. Lindens (mony) are only as valuable as the fun they can buy... and the best things in SL are still free.

my reason to say to have fun first its because registering to sl is step A and becoming successfull is step Z

there is a whole lot of things between them and a long journey, or jump directly to step Z and be a sucky designer that sell sucky things because he really don't give a shit about what he does and care only about the money that comes out

the wood sculptor agains the sawdust factory

Chill and take your be here on time pills. You responded after a small edit was done that changed the tone of the question. Tina was kind enough to change it just a bit so it wasn't so flame attracted.

I actually think the ones raking it in are SL businesses.

I have lost L$24,000 worth of items from my inventory during the last couple of weeks.

Just today, I went out and buy several pieces of furniture (about L$3000 worth). I set them down in my house, go out to buy a lamp.

I try to come back, the sim is down. The sim comes back up and all my stuff is gone from the house and my inventory.

Now what? I have to once again go out and spend several thousand Linden to replace my stuff.

So forgive me if I do not feel bad for all the business people here. At least you have made some money. Me? all I do is lose money in SL!

Pablo

This is gonna sound harsh, but you went and bought things when there are issues. Most people won't be... umm... as uncaring as to spend their money over and over during all these times. I'm seeing many owners actually turn off their vendors, because honestly, it's hard to track especially on trans items whether or not it was actually sold, given away or was part of the bug.

99% of the people on my friends list and at the places I hang out at, are NOT buying ANYTHING at all at the risk of losing items. Especially expensive ones. While I'm sure the sellers are happy you keep rebuying regardless of whether or not you may or may not get it, most don't feel that way.

You are certainly the minority.

Some people aren't even changing clothing, skins, etc. for fear of messing with anything at all right now.

ugh I am not good with this at all! But ty for your patience. Today I've learned how bright and HONEST most residents are if you give them a chance. I've found that if you let them talk, and let them give their opinions without fettering them with terms like 'bashers' or 'complainers' that some great things come to light.

Now, I feel that the grid attack problem can be solved to the extent that SL businesses can more than function, but thrive. And since I'm about to haul my miniscule co. here, I want a headsup more or less about certain things. So I am very grateful for all your repsonses!

What issues? There is NOTHING on the LL Blog stating there are any problems with items disappearing. There are several posts in the forums where people are discussing this including this one /invalid_link.html pointedly asking LL to comment on the situation. I have been inworld almost every day this week and have NEVER seen any "blue screen" from LL telling us to be careful when purchasing items.

I had been working on some small items to sell. First I had to delay because of the bug that didn't allow anyone to mass copy items from boxes. LL acknowledged this was an issue, but they didn't think it "important" enough to fix immediately. Once that got fixed, scripting got shut down worldwide because of griefing issues. Since my items had scripts in them, so much for that. Now I'm waiting because I've bought things that have disappeared and I've seen posts where others have as well. No way I'm gonna think about starting something (even as a hobby) when the platform is unstable and doesn't work.

All this "have fun . . . don't take it so seriously" just doesn't wash when LL is so quick to point out successful businesses that are netting their owners money in RL. LL is really proud of that PR, yet is nowhere to be found when "businesses" are suffering because of their platform.

Last thought. Someone may consider "having fun" in SL as meeting people and chatting. What if somone's "fun" in SL is actually shopping for clothes and dressing up their AV like a Barbie doll. What if someone's "fun" in SL is setting up a little shop with creations they designed and seeing how well they sell or don't sell. The process of creating/finding retail space/designing retail space/researching and determining method of POS/designing product packaging/designing and developing an advertising program/dealing with customers.

Well of course business are affected- if people cant get in game or play stabily they log out and no sales are made. Or, some wont even purchase while these issues are going on.

The way i try to look at it as to not get mad is- in RL some work 5 days a week which leaves them with 8 days of no pay. In SL because people log on EVERY DAY of the month and buy, we dont have those 8 days of no pay as you do in RL. Im not sure how much SL has been down lately but i dont think its 8 days out of the month. We`re furniture in SL to be able to harvest in money "everyday."

But the recent problems with items permissions messing up and such are just disastrous to a business and i guess it could go unnoticed until the creater sees someone selling their creations, and even then what can be done? Nothing.

okay, the dumb, obvious and truthful answer:

- when the grid is down, i don't sell stuff
- when the grid is up again, i sell stuff, maybe more than i would have otherwise, but who knows?
- in the end, I still sell stuff.

Do I care about the fact I sell less/the same amount/more stuff? Maybe.

But I care more about the fact that the reason I'm in SL, which is the surge of creativity, originality and enjoying the company of friends has been affected by the recent attacks, exploits, downtime, security issues, negativity, griefing etc. It has taken away a little of the magic.

I miss the magic. It's the one thing you can't buy or sell.

The general forum was closed more because of nonsensical abuse and multiple redundant thread posting. I don't think civil discussions like these are a cause for concern, regardless of how bad it makes LL look.

You don't need an official word to know something is wrong. You already said yourself items disappeared and you can choose to go buy them again. You obviously read the forums and the missing items post has been here a couple of days. It's also been in LA several times. You made a post in LA asking what the deal was, so that in itself tells me you know something is wrong. So why keep rebuying? You've been having this issue for a few weeks, that should also tell me you knew something was up. And just like other resis, people are just not buying altogether. Word of mouth is nasty when it gets going and I've already heard it from 7 different people several days ago in a span of an hour. You're specifically representing that businesses are reaping profits even more when people have to rebuy items which is not true. That's what I intended to point out before, which you missed.

Wow Seola, don't know where to start.

You're making my main point for me. There IS something wrong. LL has been notified of this problem. To date LL has done NOTHING to correct this problem. In fact, LL has NOT even acknowledged there is a problem.

I never said businesses are reaping profits. I actually believe most will lose money due to decreased traffic and unverified replacements handed out.

As to my missing some point you intended to make . . . that's like explaining a joke. If you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny.

I wasn't the one who said:



In response to my saying there were issues. You are acting as if, since LL hasn't stated and there are no blue screens, or 'official' posts, then it's not the buyer's problem. But obviously, you'll recognize the common sense in not buying items when there are issues. Just because there isn't an official word, doesn't mean it isn't there. When the original poster (who I was commenting to anyways) stated he had no sympathy for businesses because people would just buy up the items AGAIN, is just wrong for those with common sense not to buy the items. Don't make it out to be as if, since it's not the buyer's problem, it has to be the seller's. We are ALL losing in this.

As for your missing the point, obviously some people don't get points in common subtleties and must be explained before they tirade on, without actually saying anything.

I am trying so hard to NOT change my mind about bringing a RL business to SL. I know this is not exactly appropriate for the thread I myself began, but, do you think it profitable or wise to do RL busness in SL with all these problems?

Not doing too much vending business, I don't have any issues really with the permissions issues. But with the disorganizational element, it seems to make me a bit jittery about putting a RL business presence here.

Would you or wouldn't you do that as this point? That is, would you bring your RL business to SL or not? This is a hard question, I know. But it's costly to buy sims, have them setup to a certain standard (please visit the thread about the Electric Sheep Company charging OVER $10,000 USD for this service), and to maintain the site as well.

So, your opinions please! And ALL opinions are welcome!

Not to sound bad against the ESC, but they are also quite overpriced in a general sense, but they can command that price for some, more power to them.

Personally, my boss (I also moonlight as a DJ) had just purchased a sim, and while it was just getting going quite well, it's started to wane, simply because people aren't there to buy from mall vendors, or boost traffic anymore. Hell, half my friends that used to come there, don't even come online. I'm glad I have them in messengers, but it's sad that they are leaving.

If you want my total honest opinion, treat any business you start in SL at this point like a hobby. If you don't sell, you can afford to take a few losses, if you do sell, GREAT! I wouldn't waste my money on a sim at this point, until SL is more stable, the permissions bugs are fixed, the missing inventory is fixed, and SL has a better uptime percentage.

Your type of rational advice is what business needs. Hope you keep up the great, common sense approach. Some people think as businesses as some mysterious obelisk to market to just as mysteriously. Not true. Most businesses appreciate clearcut info and opinion. TY, again!

See, I don't need pills! Thank you very much for your kind words.

And some mighty fine stuff he sells, too! Stuff that still has all the magic in it.

coco

I wouldn't say it's really affected my *business*..usually any L$ loss per day is minor, and made up on another day during the week.
It does affect my ability to get in game, and complete new items at a pace I would like, and get them out and ready for sale.
The most affected I have been personally, is I am feeling aggravated, disappointed, and losing faith in all of it. With so many things going wrong, I get so many complaints- MOST of which are vendors not delivering, clothes not rezzing, inventory missing..and on and on and this like every single day lately. Frankly it makes me tired and upset and generally unhappy about SL in general. The last few days I have dreaded logging on knowing I will be bombarded with complaints about SL issues I dont really understand, or have any control over.
It affects me in the way that I no longer feel the *Creative urge* to make much of anything new when day after day there is so much negativity to deal with.
So I guess my answer would be that it has not affected my sales/business that much, but its taking it's toll on me, which in the end will take it's toll on my business when I've finally had enough and quit.