When reporting sandbox harassment, better to just report and ignore the assaulter?

When you're in a public Linden sandbox just minding your own business, and some random idjit comes along and cageballs you or drops a huge pile of griefer objects onto the people you're talking with or onto your project..... is it better to just report/screenshot it as abuse/harassment and move on to somewhere else, or to proactively state that you have just reported/screenshotted them and their activities?

On a second note, I can never tell if sandboxes are just supposed to be a Wild West where anything goes, or if there is meant to be some level of sharing and getting along with fellow sandbox users. If for some reason you WANT to fill the entire sim with 10,000+ giant green boxes until it is full, and leave it that way for hours until it self-clears, is that acceptable behavior?

Report them yes, but do not tell them you are reporting them. They may in retaliation report you. Greifers want attention, if you respond to them, you are giving them what they want. Weather you move to a different sim is up to you. I don't work in sandboxes because I don't like distractions.

What defines greifing?
Is it detrimental to the service?
Is it actively imposing on other players?
Is it detrimental to the enjoyment of others using the service?

Filling a sim with green block? detrimental to the service, imposing on others, detimental to enjoyment. Yes it is griefing. Yes it the wrong thing to do.

I just AR people without saying anything - it doesn't bother me if I'm in a cage - makes a better screenshot.

Sandboxes are supposed to be places to build but lately I spend far longer traipsing from box to box looking for a place to work than I do building. I like that idea someone had that things would be deleted X minutes after the owner left the sim. It's frustrating, to me, that communal building space is treated so badly. We should be able to get along.

Maybe sandboxes could have ratings - start out and if you get no black marks move up to less crazed sandboxes. There could be several types. That would be incentive to not act like an idiot.

What do my ears behold? Someone asking for the old rating system, which had negative rates? Maybe not the old system, it wasn't perfect, it was abused.

It's far, far better to just report them and ignore them. Unless of course they are silly enough to sit on your project. If that's the case, just take the offended part back into your inventory and send them flying. Usually, it's polite to say, "I'm sorry, could you please move? I need to fix/remove this object," as a warning before doing it, though.

Also, for most freebie type guns, it's far better to sit on a prim as you work. It's a nice thing to be able to adjust your own seat while working, too.

As for say.. pornographic images in the sandbox, if the person is dumping them at the time, simply AR them and then see if a Linden is available to come via the Live Help. Usually, they will come to clear out the objects.. I don't know what happens to the person that spread them.

I'm just frustrated with the inability to use sandboxes now. I don't have any solutions - but Goguen and Cordova have been unusable lately. It's awful to see the whole thing covered in giant prims and crap for sale. Do you have any ideas, Strife? Maybe somone can think of something that would help.

My original idea was - even though I hate "clubby" things - to have some sandbioxes that are just for prem accts. I am grasping at straws.

No - I mean sandboxes would be rated in a similar way to the way land in general is rated, only the rating would be "entry to anyone with no ARs in the past 6 months" or something.

Tell her that her kid is misbehaving. She may send the troublemaker to bed early or some other suitable punishment. Thats what your dealing with here. Some bored little punks who cant afford the monthly fee to World of Warcraft. Document it, write em up. Until you can hunt them down and shoot em in the head, theres not much you can do.

I have a number of ideas, none of them are nice.

1. a big stick & hire a Linden to use it (Deliverance Linden).
   
2. A verified sandbox, at least one, anyone who is unverified cannot enter (or run scripts).
   
3. Griefing on an account under 1 week old & unverified results in a warning, continued griefing an IP ban.
   
4. Grid attacks by unverified result in instant IP ban; non-negotiable, non-reversible. Other users of that IP, thier accounts are flagged with possible CC ban as well.
   
5. Bill their account and ban the IP until the amount is payed.
   

(someone green-boxed the sim where my home is this evening)

I second that. Let their mothers deal with them.

If only.

Griefing = Going to bed early without dinner and no TV or Computer for 2 weeks.

Maybe that's why we always see those "slap on the hand" 14 day suspensions... perhaps the kids are getting "grounded"

if you report everytime someone does some thing to you, eventualy
the lindens will treat you as a griefer. i had a friend that is no longer here
because he sent too many griefing reports.... one linden even told him
people have a right to to be in the sandbox even griefers...
Strife is right Report them, but do not tell them you are reporting them
because they will hang around just to bug you.
-LW

I once had a griefer come sit on an object I was building. I just set its z elevation to 800 and sent him flying up into the sky. LOL

Continuing Strife's ideas to deal with sandbox griefers, I'd like to see...

6. Linden-trusted Sandbox Monitors.

If you demonstrate yourself to LL to be a good SL citizen, and you use the sandboxes frequently, the Lindens grant you the right to delete physics-lag objects, ban griefers, and so forth.

It'd not quite be at the level of a full linden or really even at Torley's Liason level. You are just a normal person who can act as a guardian of the sandboxes, able to do your own stuff with slightly elevated privs to deal with griefers, immediately following a screenshotted harassment/abuse report.

For example, I would have absolutely no problem designating Strife to have such powers in a sandbox.


It's just that although you'd get slightly elevated sandbox grief-protection permissions, you'd still be required to report/screenshot the harassment etc first, through the usual Linden support channels first before acting. And you'd not be a full Linden rep and so would not necessarily have 1000 people IM'ing you constantly for other sorts of Live Help issues for stuff elsewhere on the grid.

Ha ha!

I can't even be bothered to report griefing anymore. I haven't personally seen any evidence that any griefing event I reported has been acted upon. The AR system gives a strong impression to me of being a placebo rather than a remedy.

Same. I've monitored people that I have reported and nothing happened to them. Many of them were repeat offenders that caged MANY people (even shown in the AR screenie), yet they do not get punished.

Thank you, for your vote of confidence. I don't spend much time in the sandboxes :-/
It is a job I would be better suited to fill (keeping the peace is easier then this dance of words and politics). I already am a ResMod and that takes enough of my time up already; i don't think I could manage to be a SandboxMod too (read as: I already have one thankless job, i don't need another; but thank you for offering).

I'm glad someone else suggested this; there would be a big hoopla over this. Every time it has been suggested that LL grant special privileges to anyone, all heck has broken loose. If this is the path you choose to take; do not do it half-assed. You must carefully address every concern that may come up in the future and build it with complicate rules & checks-and-balances.

EDIT: on the flip side, it would be nice to be able to help when I am there instead of only being able to glare at them; darn my good nature.

Regarding the concept of banning IP's of any unverified who launches a grid-wide attack.....


If anyone is going to be banned for such behavior, why single out unverifieds? This will be viewed by those who choose to commit such actions, that if they only get verified, they can do whatever they want.

Either all who attack the grid get the same treatment, or they are all ignored. Don't limit punishment to only those who are unverified.

The Ratings were one of the griefers Favorite Weapons, so Unless you are proposing Not allowing anyone under six months residency to rate anyone/thing, then the plan just won't work.
Tried, and failed already.

Angel.

I got my own back on a griefer the other day. Someone had set up some huge guns (beautifully made, it has to be said) and they were booming and firing smoke balls all over the place. So I rezzed some of my patent sky platforms and boxed the guns in! Then the sim crashed!

Considering the one you're trusting is currently greifing the RA forum, I'd rather have Copybot having those powers in a sandbox, he'd follow the rules more.

Originally Posted by Strife Onizuka
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Don't even think of reporting or locking this either Strife, or you're a hypocrit too.

This seems rather off-topic and unfriendly.

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IANARM.