COPYBOT - Seperating Fact from fiction...

I heard a rumor that a clever wielder of copybot could even find a way to extract the .BVH (anim) file off an avi running an animation. The rumor is that if the animation is actively running, it can be copied; if not, no. Any truth to that?

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Heh. I`m not the only one who is inlove with my shape

It is something that I feel no one else should have, said it once and ill say it again- I worked weeks "sculpting" it to look exactly like the RL me. I get IMs from ppl wanting to know where I bought my shape not knowing I made it myself to mimic how I look in RL- scary, and would be creepy to see someone else owning it.

You're sure they didn't plant it ahead of time?

Oh, by the way:

Your clothing is safe from Copybot. It would have to be ripped off by GLIntercept instead.

Basically, the real problem is that LL doesn't have the ability to implement the kind of access controls they imply they have. Neither can Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Real, or anyone else. Digital Rights Management operates on the honor system, it always has, and to change that would require such a draconian set of policies that the cure would be far far worse than the disease.

But if it really looks like you that is the ultimate compliment, no?

Hmm I guess so, but I actually have a really hard time with my things being copied. Maybe if the shape had a permanent hovertext of THE JESSEAITUI SHAPE, I wouldnt mind lol

A customer pointed someone copying one of my tattoo terms, sure- whatever, not like I have it trademarked; but it really bothered me. I guess im a little fag when it comes to those things.





Argent- Im so sorry to ask this again, but just one more time for clarification. There are 2 instances

1- Copying clothing bein worn by the avatar and cloning it onto the bot

and

2- the bot copying a prim with clothing IN it.



So, for #1- they can not actually save that "shirt".. however, for #2, since they now own the prim, are you also saying they can no take the shirt out of the prim for their own?




I know ive asked this already, but im just making sure one more time. As just in RL, there seems to be little misunderstandings on forum boards too.

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Plant it? You mean buy the prim beforehand? If that's what you mean, the prim isn't for sale, it hands out a folder, and since the item's ad has been redone and I hadn't sold a copy to anyone of it (it's my first outfit, and it's not the best but it's low rez and cheap), there would be no other way for them to acquire it.

And for clothing... tell that to several vendors who have already seen their items for sale for 1L.

Ok to clear up some things I've tested this. Contents of a prim cannot be copied over. Clothing does save over but as soon as they change it negates it and they cannot pass it along. So they can essenntially steal the clothing but they have to conitnually wear that to steal the entire look and yeah we wont go into that.... Objects and Textures on said objects is all it can copy really and avatar attachments. It is still a threat though as it can copy anything but the contents of a folder. Scripts it cant etc Just prims and the textures on said prim. I dunno about the thing you saw in your shop as i tested it myself and didnt find that although i didnt try it with a prim inside it just textures scripts and clothing..... all of which were things i myself created tattoos etc.

Which version did you test? I know tons of people said they tried it and the one last night didn't really do a whole lot. The new one this morning did more and as the day wore on, it did more and more and more.

There was, at last count 3-5 different mods/upgrades that came out... one that bypassed the ! commands, one that bypassed and was able to take copies of prims and clothes, another that did all of the above along with skins.

This thread doesn't point out anything new. Let's turn it around to see where the potential danger is, instead of playing it down:

Every prim attachment can be copied without inventory but including textures. It's irrelevant that the CopyBot doesn't copy the texture as a file but only applies it to the copied prims by referencing to the texture UUID. What the user gets is a full perm copy of textured prims or linksets. "It can't copy hair" is basically a lie, since pretty much everyone is wearing prim hair.

The CopyBot can duplicate a complete furry avatar, all attachments and textures, only lacking possible scripts for eye or tail movement. The CopyBot can create full permission copies of any prim hair, prim shoes or prim clothing. Every prim object that can be attached to an avatar can be copied - furniture, prim trees and plants, houses, basically any decorative object that doesn't depend on scripts.

That's all I'm concerned about, and I'd say that's more than bad enough. Even with scripted objects: there are a lot of scripters out there who can add a vehicle script to a prim car, but lack the talent to design the car itself, for example. Scripting isn't that hard to learn, but prim design and texturing requires some talent.

Lina there was one thing I forgot to ask you, does it save the textures on *prims* to your inventory? Or is that like the clothing?

In my tests, the textures are linked. You don't get the textures themselves; they are just "there" on the prim faces. If you change a texture, there's no way to change it back.

This is a bit like what happens if you buy a house and then modify a wall: you can't get the original texture back again.

K, so it's kinda temporarily baked. And it doesn't change if you hand it off or copy it, it stays textured?

Ishtara, I don't want to play anything down, it's bad enough. The problem is that a lot of people don't know what it can and *cannot* do. Clothing designers are closing their stores in fear that they will be put out of business and that isn't the case. The worst it seems that copybot can do is replicate the clothing until you change clothes or log off and it can't be resold. I think they deserve to know that.

It does not change. It's just like any other item that you purchase but don't actually own the texture to.

K, thanks.

Copy and take, Seaola? Or just copy

Copied the prim off my wall, rezzed it on the ground, took the items and wore it. Nice touch to see a guy in a skirt though. lol

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Could it be because you owned the box/contents?

Ps- going to send you a short PM about something I dont want to say on the board.

It wasn't me who did it. A friend got an 'update' from the creator, and came in my store and did it.

Well then I don't know anymore if there is some new version out there ripping everything.

For the love of god why won't a Linden answer this?

You're right, sorry. I read the initial post, then I read on until I saw Dr. Tardis' comments. It can't copy hair, can't copy textures... it does both. No one uses Linden hair anymore, and the CopyBot would be rather harmless if all copies came out with the basic plywood texture. I didn't want to accuse you of playing the problem down.

Has anyone here spoke with LL over the phone regarding this?

It doesn't COPY the textures. It USES them.

There's difference. It seems minor, but you can't take those textures and arbitrarily assign them to other objects, like you can with textures in your inventory.

No idea, and with open registration, their numbers keep looking better and better as people create alts to rip stuff en masse.

Some are comparing this to GLI, but GLI wasn't sold so neatly packaged, or even later in the day given away for free and so user friendly.

Unfortunately, most of the people out there are misinformed by people who tested the early product and not what was being given out later in the day, or going off only the YouTube video posted. There were others who saw as I did in the group created for this.

I let my friend come test it out (he was on an alt) in my store, first he copied me, I changed back to ugly newb av, he copied that av, logged out of everything, relogged, and was able to bring 'me' back up. Then he did the prim on the wall test. I watched as this happened and spoke to him through Yahoo as he did all this stuff. It's quite sad really and while those out there keep saying, everything is safe, this program saves nothing but prims... it's not true, and even if it was... find me a piece of active land without a prim.