Camping benchs/dances/ whatever

Is it just me or are these people too stupid to do the sums and realise it is costing them more in electricity and damage to the environment than they gain in L$? I wish the scripts were banned from SL.

Urrmmm.... we had already many discusions about that....

And, no camping is not my thing. I have a credit card.

Morwen.

I think you are over reacting...... next thing is that you will be telling us that we are producing a massive carbon footprint and causing global warming..

Where do people live that electricity costs so much? During the summer, my average daily cost for electricity for the whole house is $4, for the washer, dryer, AC, dishwasher, TV, lights, computer, and kitchen. During the winter when the AC is off, the cost drops to $3 a day.

Lets split the difference and call $3.50 a day in power costs. The question now becomes how much does it cost to run the computer for the 16 hours a day it is on, .50? .40? .30? We will use .50. Now lets say I camp for 8 of those hours, making $L80, the electricity cost is .25. Right now as I type this on the LindenExchange you can buy $L186 for $1, which equals $L47 for .25.
So by burning the electricity, I am getting $L33 more than if I just bought them outright.

I do have to say, I have never camped.

As for the global warming balderdash, well since ladies are present, I won't express my opinion on the socialist's latest attempt to control our lives.

Well, usually the parents of the camper pay the electricity bill

The easiest way to deal with camping: Make it impossible to pay money to unverified accounts. As long as LL has no identity information on them, they shouldn't be able to participate in the financial economy of SL. Would also help to avoid fraud and money laundering.

We just had this coverastion in another thread yesterday. I did the math on that a few months ago and electricity costs are almost nothing to run a PC. About 2% of the money made camping is spent in electricity. I even factored in repair costs and found thet you can still easily make money, and a decent amount by camping if you choose too.

When i did these calculations it was to prove the very point you made here, and instead I proved it wrong.

I wonder when or if we can just quit griping about campers. As long as shoppers choose their stores by the traffic numbers stores will have camping. And as long as businesses have camping we will have campers.

Next time to go shopping choose a store with low traffic. If everyone did that maybe they would not have anything to complain about.

Deleted, wasn't important.

Well, I am not an scienctist... so I do not know much about a global warming.... but I do know the climate is changing.... I also know that the water-level is raising....

I do find it funny that someone, some messages up, had to made a political statement about it (maybe I do find it funny because I am socialist... an European one, but still a socialist ).

Morwen.

yeah, considering that just about all scientists agree that the earth IS warming and that increase WILL have consequences, it is a little silly to pretend that it isn't happening at this point.

People like president Bush will continue to deny the facts because he is only concerned with short term financial gain and it will cost big business to switch to greener energy, most everyone else will recoup the investement in green-tech within a matter of a few years, it's happening all over the place in small ways (gardens on the roofs of public buildings in Chicago, for example, saves energy).

people have been conditioned to see things in either/or terms, as if polotics was sport, but there are many shades of grey. The map is not the territory, the word is not the thing itself, socialism is only what socialism does right now, not a textbook definition or what Karl Marx or Hitler said about socialism.

just a few thoughts..

Sorry if this had already been posted, I'm from the UK where electricity and fuel costs quite a bit more than it does in the US. On a side note I managed to buy L$1,012 for $4 which is a steal at the current exchange rate on Paypal £1 for $2

Since the dawn of humanity, there have been apocalyptic prophecies of all sorts. As I wrote earlier (but deleted it because I didn't think it was that important, sorry for that... didn't know that you were typing an answer at the same time), the favored end of the world prophecy was the end of the woods in my youth. First, acid rain was supposed to kill all trees. Then it turned out that the nitrogen in acid rain had the opposite effect and worked as a fertilizer. That was supposedly dangerous too... uncontrolled tree growth. 30 years after the panic we realize that nothing has changed in our forests.

Or remember the year 2000 panic. Every computer system on the planet will fail, mankind is doomed! What happened was... nothing.
I don't doubt that the climate currently changes a little, it has been changing as long as the climate has been around it gets warmer for some years or even decades, then it gets colder again. Sometimes there are extreme changes; in 5 million years, Europe could be either a burning hot desert or covered in ice, no one can tell. In 5 billion years, our sun may or may not burn out. A giant meteor could hit the earth next week and a supervolcano might erupt in 10 years. Or a mutated virus could eliminate our species. If someone wants to worry, there are a ton of things to worry about.


But I completely agree with the OP on the issue of camping. Electricity costs quite a bit in Germany, and if I calculate with the local power costs, camping makes no sense.

I go to stores that sell the best product. If there are campers there then I will avoid the place.

I won't go to the top store in the search engine just because its at the top, I'll map it and see if it has a decent crowd. If I see a grouping of green dots, then I know its using campers and most likely the ratings numbers have been fudged.


And as for campers. I despise you. You are a waste of resources. I could care less how much energy you do or do not use with your own PC.
What you DO is bring my PC performance down just by sitting there in a zombie like state of unconsiousness.
And not only in that sim, you tax the entire grid with your resource hogging.......all because you are too cheap to go spend $1 US for something that would take approximately 2 days of camping to achieve. (based on 1 linden per 10 minutes of camping...I imagine there are "deals" out there though..haha..pathetic)

That's OK..I still like you, even if you are a socialist. On climate change: Yes, it's happening, undenieably.The climate has always changed, whether we are affecting it to any extent I don't know. The wonderful thing about Humans is their ability to adapt. If we can't do anything to stop changes, we usually adapt to them. Mother Earth will do her thing, and we'll figure out a way to live with it.

Its because of idiots like you and your fellow country men that we have not been able to decrease the rate of Global warming over the last 20 - 30 years. It's only now, after 7 odd years in office that Bush is even admitting there is a problem. I dont think that those inhabitants of the the Islands on the Pacific Rim would call Global warming Balderdash, they are too busy watching their country sink beneath the ocean because you are too lazy to get off your fat arse and walk to the store rather than drive your gas gussling car.

Comments are aimed at Americans in general and not specifically at you Chris. You are just one ignorant fool amongst millions.

Global warming was brought into the question by the OP, it is a political issue of control.
Climate does change. At one time Europe and large parts of North America were covered in ice. At one time Greenland was not covered by ice. Solar activity and the dust produced by volcanos is the main cause of our heat ups and cool downs.

Well I would have a walk of 20 miles to get to the nearest store. Thanks, I will drive my gas guzzling pick up truck, with the gun rack in the back window.

Porky, 30 years ago, the major concern was global cooling. Just goes to show how much things change in less than a generation.

Gee thanks for insulting all 250 million of us. I still don't fear your spork. And , while GW is a bit behind the curve on enviromental issues, it was actually Willie Clinton who rejected the Kyoto nonsense.

IBTL.

Maybe.... but the positive influence of the polution by the human kind is proven. We with all our cars, factories and whatever add strongly to it. So yes, it is time to do something about it. And some things are so simple, as the filter I have in my car... or using a clearer type of fuell.

But I think this is not the place for an political discusion.... errmmm... lets see, the Yahoo-group "Anti Bush Database" might be a more fitting spot (and yes, pun intended... and yes, the group does exist)

Morwen.

I've just got some numbers. This is for England (UK) on standard electricity plan.

my electricity is 11.46p (23c) per Kwh

350watt computer = 4.011p per hour

my monitor is 125watt = 1.4325p per hour

8hrs camping = 43.548p (88c) = L$153

Most i've ever seen them get is L$70 odd for 8hrs camping. You get booted off SL after 30 mins inactivity so you would have to keep moving? I'm a newbie so that's just what I think after it happened to me (not for camping though).

Oh and regards to the Global warming issue, here in the UK we had the hottest March on record followed by the wettest June on record and July is also proving to be wash out. I know i've only been here for 24yrs but I've never known a summer like it.

Morwen, since the late 1800's when we first started really keeping records, the increase in global temperature is .6+/-.2 C . The global temperature is 14 +/-.7 C. So the supposed increase in temperature is not even more than the margin of error in measuring the earth's temperature. Human produced CO2 is 3.4 % of global greenhouse gases.

If you really want to cool the planet, the only sure way to do it is to cause massive volcanic eruptions. The dust and gases produced by those will cause massive cooling. (See the year 1816, the year without a summer)

If the op is going to spout off political views about destroying the earth by camping in SL, then it is open game to debate it, of course Strife may not agree.

There are devicces you can use that will allow you to stay logged on all night without being at the computer.

*Since I was born, 1970, I have seen all sorts of crazy weather patterns that I don't know what's going on. But I do remeber as a kid, we had 4 defined seasons as opposed to today where it seems to be one or the other. I'm not a scientist, my knowledge is in things after they happen......

I agree with Chris in that by thowing out the Global warming line, the OP set this thread up for the ugliness that hopefully will ensue

That is complete rubbish. I was studying climate change 30 years ago and the most pressing climate issuus at the end of the 70's was that the continued burning of fosil fuels would ultimately lead to the green house effect. Even prior to the 70's there were never concerns over the planet cooling. Completely the opposite in fact. We are currently coming out of an ice age that lasted over 40000 years. The planet has been warming up for the past 20000 years and the ice that once covered northern Europe and North america has been receeding as you said in your earlier post. The planet has been heating up ever since and would have continued to do so at an unoticable rate for the next 5 thousand years. The industrial revolution put a stop to all that and over a couple of hundreds years we have severely damaged our ozone layer and have now reached a point where we cannot reverse what we have done, all we can do is damage limitation.

I find it hard to believe that an inteligent person like yourselve refuses to believe or accept this.

Funny Newsweek disagrees with you.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/
Oct. 23, 2006 - In April, 1975, in an issue mostly taken up with stories about the collapse of the American-backed government of South Vietnam, NEWSWEEK published a small back-page article about a very different kind of disaster. Citing "ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically," the magazine warned of an impending "drastic decline in food production." Political disruptions stemming from food shortages could affect "just about every nation on earth." Scientists urged governments to consider emergency action to head off the terrible threat of . . . well, if you had been following the climate-change debates at the time, you'd have known that the threat was: global cooling.

Mark attempts to tie the two arguments together to keep the relevent thread vaible.


What if we stacked all of the campers along the shoreline to keep the rising sea from destroying the shoreline?

Replace melting ice with campers....thus creating new land...backfill some nice soil on top of them ... and voila!! new land!!!


coments? criticisms?

I think as a nation you should be insulted, as Europeans we should be insulted, the chinese should be prepared to be insulted because when the shit hits the fan as it's going to do so multiple times over the next 100 years, we will be to blame, and the US will be singled out as being the ones who produced the most greenhouse gas and did the least to control the affects or to even accept accountablility. This is already history and I am glad the US is finally seeing sense and introducing their new carbon reduction initiatives. Unfortunately it's all 20 years too late.