After reading TOS today
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Pie Psaltery
runs w/scissors
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11-22-2006 19:49
From: Jesseaitui Petion And to the person who said we may wake up and find we can not cash lindens anymore- I know, im waiting for that day to come. But we could probably still use 3rd party things to do it and make money I dunno The day LL close the LindenX is the day your L$ will be worth about what Guild Wars Gold is worth... $L100K for about $7USD. Oh, and all internet chat is recorded somewhere... just ask the pedophiles on myspace. The TOS states pretty much what its always stated... you agree to be part of an experiment in the future of e-commerce, a privilege that for which some people will pay an extraordinary amount of money. Everything you are doing in SL, everything you create and the ways you spend your time, are data for someone else (ie. large corporations) to use to figure out the best way to use this incredible new medium for the most profitable end... It's just a little more clear these days.
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
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11-22-2006 21:30
I found 1 way to encrypt your IMs but it involves copy and pasting the results. You can convert everthing to leet speek or Hex/Binary. http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/encrypter/index.php
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
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11-22-2006 21:47
Those are all encoding & decoding algs or hashing algs. None of them are encryption (any hacker worth his salt would brake it).
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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11-22-2006 22:49
I read the new TOS, and I think it means all your stuff are belong to us.
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Daisy Rimbaud
Registered User
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11-23-2006 03:24
From: April Firefly What was your question? I'm not trying to be funny, I really want to know so I, as a Resident, would love to answer. The question, unstated but implied, was "what do you think?"
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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11-23-2006 03:52
What's your point. LL are a business. This is just sensible business practice.
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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
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11-23-2006 06:15
I also suspect this could be the start of LL trying to clean the porn up on SL. 2.2 now states that you cannot assume an individual is an adult just because they are on the Main Grid. ("Linden Lab... makes no representation that users outside the Teen Area are not minors."  3.2 says that you bear all the legal responsibility for your actions. ("You are solely responsible for... the legal consequences of any actions"  I think this is important - most sellers of mature content before have claimed that they believe that if they got sued, they could say in their defense that since an underage user would have lied to get onto the Main Grid, it was their own fault if they saw inappropriate content there. But now LL are explicitly stating that you can't use this, because even if it's still true, they've basically explicitly said you can't make that assumption. In other words, it looks suspiciously like they're getting ready for the first lawsuit against someone for selling porn to a minor, which will drive all the porn off the grid.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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11-23-2006 06:39
From: Cocoanut Koala I read the new TOS, and I think it means all your stuff are belong to us. For great justice.
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
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11-23-2006 06:41
From: Yumi Murakami In other words, it looks suspiciously like they're getting ready for the first lawsuit against someone for selling porn to a minor, which will drive all the porn off the grid. We can but dream. Lewis
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
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11-23-2006 06:52
From: Strife Onizuka Those are all encoding & decoding algs or hashing algs. None of them are encryption (any hacker worth his salt would brake it). True but it's good enough to trick a keyword searching bot like SL seams to be using.  --- If we have to wear clothes at all times and cannot cyber, then this is no better then THERE.com. Only difference is THERE is a lot more stable. If a linden ever tellls me i can't do that i will tell them "F**K YOU. BAN ME, THEN!"
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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
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11-23-2006 07:26
From: Yiffy Yaffle If we have to wear clothes at all times and cannot cyber, then this is no better then THERE.com. Only difference is THERE is a lot more stable. If a linden ever tellls me i can't do that i will tell them "F**K YOU. BAN ME, THEN!"
Umm.. except how you can't build on There.com except with prefabs.. and can't script...?
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Daisy Rimbaud
Registered User
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11-23-2006 09:53
From: Yumi Murakami In other words, it looks suspiciously like they're getting ready for the first lawsuit against someone for selling porn to a minor, which will drive all the porn off the grid. The mind boggles at how this would play in court. In fact, who's going to bring the lawsuit in the first place? Are we really going to have RL cops detailed to patrolling SL looking for people selling porn to minors?
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Ishtara Rothschild
Do not expose to sunlight
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11-23-2006 10:00
From: Yumi Murakami I also suspect this could be the start of LL trying to clean the porn up on SL. 2.2 now states that you cannot assume an individual is an adult just because they are on the Main Grid. ("Linden Lab... makes no representation that users outside the Teen Area are not minors."  3.2 says that you bear all the legal responsibility for your actions. ("You are solely responsible for... the legal consequences of any actions"  Well... From: someone nZone: Finally, did Linden Lab pursue an ESRB rating for Second Life? I would guess not, because it's not listed on the ESRB site nor does the Second Life page feature a rating logo, but I'm also not sure if it's warranted given the nature of the product. I wanted to verify, though, for the sake of the story.
Cory Linden: We haven't yet pursued an ESRB rating. Currently, we only allow in new residents who are 18 or older, so we assume that this would earn us an Mature rating. In the future, if we open Second Life to people 13–18, we would make sure our design would allow for a Teen rating, equivalent to The Sims Online. ...nice. I always assumed that, if LL should ever get sued for exposing minors to adult content, the lawsuit would just be forwarded to the next best adult shop and the grid cleanout would start. Perhaps it's time for me to restrict the access based on payment info again.
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
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11-24-2006 10:26
From: Joannah Cramer At which point the owner of account which received and withdrew the money claims it was payment for whatever service rendered, or even a gift from person in control of account responsible for violation. Neither of these options being violation of TOS. As long as they aren't stupid enough to login both characters from the same IP, good luck proving the situation being otherwise, and these two actually the same person. o.O Or they could just buy stuff from themselves. This happens all the time in organized crime... these groups sell stuff through cutouts to launder money all the time and if it didn't work they wouldn't be in business.
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-24-2006 10:32
This is no different than any other online service. They do not share personal information, that is the information they're saying they share is demographic and statistical data. They won't sell "What did Jesseaitui Petion buy on November", but they might sell "how often is the word 'Toyota' mentioned in SL. From: someone I guess I have to keep my personal conversations out of world from now one. This is a good idea. After all, your information transfer to Linden Labs is not encrypted and can be intercepted by anyone on your neighborhood shared network, or by the US government's Carnivore program or its successors.
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-24-2006 10:37
From: Yiffy Yaffle A year or so ago one of my friends friends got banned for admiting to my friend in a IM that he was 17. This was a nice kid too. My friend did not tattle on him, LL was listening in on private IMs and cought it. Not that i want to stick up for a minor but i believe we do need encription. Hey you guys at LibSL! Make it so.  Then you could earn back my trust.  Heh. I wrote a program to encrypt messages transferred through a chat system back in 1983 or so. You wouldn't need libsl for this, you could do it with an input filter in front of SL. Just type something into a text box in your filter program, and watch it get turned into: <<18F4>huniUO2e78ny76@#ON!*D(*HLujhn82ln@(>Then hit a button to "paste" it into SL. On the other end you could cut-and-paste it, or even screen-scrape the text and get back The magic word is Squeamish Ossifrage
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
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11-24-2006 10:41
From: Jesseaitui Petion I`ll just take my personal conversations into Yahoo Chat from now on. Ahem: From: Yahoo Privacy Policy Yahoo! uses information for the following general purposes: to customize the advertising and content you see, fulfill your requests for products and services, improve our services, contact you, conduct research, and provide anonymous reporting for internal and external clients. I'd suggest Jabber, it's an open-source chat system, client-to-server encrypted, and you can run your own server. Note that if you use Gmail's Jabber gateway, Google has a similar policy towards data collection. 
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-24-2006 10:43
From: Pie Psaltery The day LL close the LindenX is the day your L$ will be worth about what Guild Wars Gold is worth... $L100K for about $7USD. Um, before LindeX the value of Lindens on IGE was about what it is now.
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
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11-24-2006 15:35
From: Argent Stonecutter Heh. I wrote a program to encrypt messages transferred through a chat system back in 1983 or so. You wouldn't need libsl for this, you could do it with an input filter in front of SL. Just type something into a text box in your filter program, and watch it get turned into: <<18F4>huniUO2e78ny76@#ON!*D(*HLujhn82ln@(> Then hit a button to "paste" it into SL. On the other end you could cut-and-paste it, or even screen-scrape the text and get back The magic word is Squeamish Ossifrage I'd be willing to use something like that if it's available somewhere.  However i don't have many secrets, just it's always good to prepare ahead of time.
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-24-2006 15:44
This ran in MS-DOS and System V UNIX, using the Greenleaf I/O library for the serial port drivers for the DOS version because the standard DOS drivers were polled and couldn't keep up with a 1200 baud modem on an 8088. I might have the DOS version, or a partial Amiga port of the DOS version, but it's really not anything useful today. 
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