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Dogmi Lord
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01-29-2010 08:17
ok i been trying to find out way is it that a Adult rated sim can have nonadult rated clubs on it and the club not get in trouble. But lord forbid an Adult rated club go anywhere but adult sim we get in trouble. Why do we have to follow the guildline if they dont. Unfair to ppl following the TSO.
Argent Stonecutter
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01-29-2010 08:19
Where does it say that you're not allowed into an adult-rated sim if you're not going to make digital whoopie?
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Lilliput Little
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01-29-2010 08:40
Does this mean that I'm breaking TOS if I don't bump pixels when in Zindra?
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01-29-2010 08:41
An adult-rated sim can have everything on it.
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Eli Schlegal
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01-29-2010 08:43
From: Phil Deakins
An adult-rated sim can have everything on it.


Except for child avatars!!!!!!1

:D
DancesWithRobots Soyer
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01-29-2010 08:45
From: Eli Schlegal
Except for child avatars!!!!!!1

:D


It can even have child avatars. But they have to stay away from the naughty stuff.
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Eli Schlegal
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01-29-2010 08:46
From: DancesWithRobots Soyer
It can even have child avatars. But they have to stay away from the naughty stuff.


It was a joke.
RockAndRoll Michigan
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01-29-2010 09:30
From: Dogmi Lord
ok i been trying to find out way is it that a Adult rated sim can have nonadult rated clubs on it and the club not get in trouble. But lord forbid an Adult rated club go anywhere but adult sim we get in trouble. Why do we have to follow the guildline if they dont. Unfair to ppl following the TSO.


On an adult-rated sim there is no such thing as a non-adult rated club. I don't care if people are sitting drinking tea and discussing flower arranging, if the sim is adult rated then it's an adult rated activity. Nobody is going to attend this event if they have not "followed the guildline" (sic) and required adult verification for people entering that property, because that's turned on sim-wide.

Keep in mind that the grid is, by definition, 100% adult oriented no matter what sim you're in. Remember that disclaimer on signup that you must be 18 years of age or older to create an account, and the fact that you are required to attest that you are at least 18 in order to create an account? Anybody who isn't and creates an account anyway, has committed a willful, deliberate act of fraud. They are criminals, plain and simple, and deserve to be treated as such.
Lindal Kidd
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01-29-2010 09:33
From: Dogmi Lord
ok i been trying to find out way is it that a Adult rated sim can have nonadult rated clubs on it and the club not get in trouble. But lord forbid an Adult rated club go anywhere but adult sim we get in trouble. Why do we have to follow the guildline if they dont. Unfair to ppl following the TSO.


Go back and re-read the adult content guidelines.

The deal is, adults can handle everything, including fluffy kitties and Disney movies. So they can have raunchy depraved sex one minute, and little bunnies the next. Children, and the so-called adults that think everyone should be treated as children, only get the fluffy kitties, Disney movies, and little bunnies.

So: PG land = only fluffy kitties
Mature land = fluffy kitties in public, sex in private
Adult land = sex, sex...oo look, a fluffy kitty!....sex...
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Ceera Murakami
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01-29-2010 09:46
From: Dogmi Lord
ok i been trying to find out way is it that a Adult rated sim can have nonadult rated clubs on it and the club not get in trouble. But lord forbid an Adult rated club go anywhere but adult sim we get in trouble. Why do we have to follow the guildline if they dont. Unfair to ppl following the TSO.
Because Linden Lab has failed to develop any better means of preventing someone from standing on a PG parcel and camming into a "XXX Hard-Core Debauchery Zone" in an Adult rated area three sims away, but in the same contiguous land mass. Their "solution" was isolating all the Adult content on its own continent, or on isolated Adult-rated private sims. You can'y cam from one sim into a non-contiguous sim. When we could still put an Adult activity in a Mature-rated sim, we might well be side by side with a PG-rated sim, and those in the PG sim could see and hear all the nasty Adult stuff.

Despite the fact that SL is, BY THEIR OWN DEFINITION, an "adults-only, must be 18 or older to be here, don't sign up if you don't agree to that" kind of place, LL refused to even consider the other alternative - to isolate the G and PG rated activity to a new, seperate continent that would only have family-friendly fluffy kitties, and no sex allowed, and to make that sort of place the default starting point for all newbies. Instead, they chose to disrupt most of the virtual world, and force-marched the commercial and publicly-accessible or advertised adult activity in this adults-only world off into an isolated corner of the grid.
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Qie Niangao
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01-29-2010 09:49
From: Dogmi Lord
ok i been trying to find out way is it that a Adult rated sim can have nonadult rated clubs on it and the club not get in trouble.
:confused: How is anybody inconvenienced by non-Adult content in an Adult region?

I have three Zindra parcels; only one of them currently has anything (marginally) Adult on it, the others are more or less just landscaped.

I'd hate to think that I'm not smutty enough for the neighborhood.
Innula Zenovka
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01-29-2010 10:08
From: Ceera Murakami
When we could still put an Adult activity in a Mature-rated sim, we might well be side by side with a PG-rated sim, and those in the PG sim could see and hear all the nasty Adult stuff.
Which, at least according to Blondin, we still can on a private estate:
From: Blondin Linden
From: Lord Sullivan
What i meant was can an adult flagged sim and a Mature sim be placed side by side with a PG sim in a block or row so i can walk from one private sim to another, so walk from PG into Mature into Adult

Not that they had to move to Ursula, sorry i thought i had made that clear
As long as your maturity levels allow access, then yes, you could walk from one to the other.
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See also http://slapt.me/wiki/index.php?title=Mixing_Estates_with_Adult/Mature/PG
Kara Spengler
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01-29-2010 10:12
From: Qie Niangao
I'd hate to think that I'm not smutty enough for the neighborhood.


"you must have this much smut on your parcel to enter"?
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Lindal Kidd
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01-29-2010 10:32
From: Innula Zenovka
Which, at least according to Blondin, we still can on a private estate...


Sure, but then any complaints from the prudish are the estate owner's problem, and LL can wash their hands of it.
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01-29-2010 10:53
From: Dogmi Lord
ok i been trying to find out way is it that a Adult rated sim can have nonadult rated clubs on it and the club not get in trouble. But lord forbid an Adult rated club go anywhere but adult sim we get in trouble. Why do we have to follow the guildline if they dont. Unfair to ppl following the TSO.
It's an "Up to" rule. Just like the speed limit when driving, but, without as much angry drivers. (^_^)

People have been running PG content on Mature land since it first existed. PG content on Adult land violates what rule? (^_^)y
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Lindal Kidd
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01-29-2010 11:05
From: Kara Spengler
"you must have this much smut on your parcel to enter"?


Smut!
Give me smut and nothing but!
A dirty novel I can't shut
If it's uncut
And unsut....tle.
Or....
Indecent magazines galore
The dirty pictures I adore
I like them more
If they're hard core!

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Pussycat Catnap
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01-29-2010 22:08
From: Lindal Kidd
Go back and re-read the adult content guidelines.

Adult land = sex, sex...oo look, a fluffy kitty!....sex...


What if the fluffy kitty wants the sex?

:p

/meow!


From: Qie Niangao
:confused: How is anybody inconvenienced by non-Adult content in an Adult region?


If this kitty is yiffing... yeah, it gets a bit inconvenient when certain sorts, such as child AVs, come wandering by.

They don't tend to on adult land, but if you put a non-adult themed bit of content in an adult sim, you're encouraging them to drop by, and when they do so, their presence may be off-putting to the neighbors and your other guests that are 'in theme' (*) for the sim rating.


(*) On an adult sim, people are reasonable expecting that they can TP in nude, guys with erect prim parts on display, subs in collars, or whatever... and can reasonably be offended if asked to cover up.
On PG land, the venue owner can expect they won't show up like that, and can even AR them if they do.
On mature - guests can expect they might be asked to cover up, and its reasonable to expect that they often will be so asked.

So if you put some PG content on adult land, you're a creating a friction where people dressed in ways that are in TOS conflict if together (the child AV and the guy with the erect prim parts for example) will likely come into contact. You're setting them both up to get into a fight or into trouble.

Doing that is just bad form.
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01-29-2010 22:14
From: Qie Niangao
:confused: How is anybody inconvenienced by non-Adult content in an Adult region?

I have three Zindra parcels; only one of them currently has anything (marginally) Adult on it, the others are more or less just landscaped.

I'd hate to think that I'm not smutty enough for the neighborhood.

Damn you and your clean landscaping. At least throw some penis-shaped topiaries around.
Qie Niangao
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01-30-2010 02:18
From: Pussycat Catnap
(*) On an adult sim, people are reasonable expecting that they can TP in nude, guys with erect prim parts on display, subs in collars, or whatever... and can reasonably be offended if asked to cover up.
On PG land, the venue owner can expect they won't show up like that, and can even AR them if they do.
On mature - guests can expect they might be asked to cover up, and its reasonable to expect that they often will be so asked.

So if you put some PG content on adult land, you're a creating a friction where people dressed in ways that are in TOS conflict if together (the child AV and the guy with the erect prim parts for example) will likely come into contact. You're setting them both up to get into a fight or into trouble.

Doing that is just bad form.
Maybe I can make my SL fortune by rezzing some shrubberies and extorting the neighbours to "buy the view."

Firstly, I dare say whatever Adult content I may get up to on my parcel will be off-putting to most neighbours anyway. If their cams wander to my parcel while they're in a pixel-bumping mood, they're better off watching the shrubbery while I'm quietly scripting.

Secondly, does an Adult landowner have a right to control conduct on his Adult land? Because it has an Adult rating, is my store required to permit those "guys with erect prim parts on display?" Mind you, I've never actually seen that on Zindra; if I wanted that kind of action, I'd head for Ahern or Linden Village. And even if they came to one of my Zindra parcels with prim junk hangin' out, I don't think I'd be much put out about it. But I mean, in principle, do we really think that landowners should waive their parcel rights when the land is Adult?
RockAndRoll Michigan
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01-30-2010 02:29
From: Qie Niangao
But I mean, in principle, do we really think that landowners should waive their parcel rights when the land is Adult?


I don't think you should. If you should then the owners of PG-rated land should as well. After all this is an adults-only grid no matter where you are. If expecting people to act like adults means that a landowner is required to accept uncouth behavior on Zindra then there is no valid argument against accepting the same behavior at Martha's House of G-Rated Tea Drinking on the mainland either.
White Hyacinth
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01-30-2010 02:57
I read, presented as a "great new feature" that premium members would "from now on" get access to Adult areas. So I thought the age verification nonsense was finally a thing of the past... Until I bounced into a "virtual wall" flying somewhere high above mainland, minding my own business: "You have to be age-verified to enter this land" End of my flying trip! :(

So if getting access to adult areas does not mean the end of age verification, what _does_ it mean? I have always had access to adult areas. Does it maybe mean access to adult areas will be _taken away_ from non-premium members?

As far as age verification is concerned: I would like to wait until my account is 18 years old and then see if LL can refuse me the "age verified" status. :)
Argent Stonecutter
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01-30-2010 04:01
From: Pussycat Catnap
On an adult sim, people are reasonable expecting that they can TP in nude, guys with erect prim parts on display, subs in collars, or whatever... and can reasonably be offended if asked to cover up.
Linden Lab has already established the precedent that this is not, in fact, the case. What the landowner says goes.
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01-30-2010 04:04
From: White Hyacinth
I read, presented as a "great new feature" that premium members would "from now on" get access to Adult areas. So I thought the age verification nonsense was finally a thing of the past... Until I bounced into a "virtual wall" flying somewhere high above mainland, minding my own business: "You have to be age-verified to enter this land" End of my flying trip! :(
Vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4489
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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01-30-2010 05:18
From: White Hyacinth
So if getting access to adult areas does not mean the end of age verification, what _does_ it mean?


There's more than one verification, and there's the rub.

First there's adult verified. This allows you into adult rated sims such as Zindra.

Second there's age verification. Such as using Aristotle/Integrity's service, for example. Similar, but not the same. Should a property owner turn on the flag for age verification, then it won't matter one whit if you're adult verified. Without age verification as well you're not going to go there. It's something Linden Lab never really made all that clear when all this was fresh and still in progress, so there's been a lot of confusion about it.

The jira entry referenced above would go a long way towards eliminating the confusion and the problem.
Ceera Murakami
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01-30-2010 09:53
From: White Hyacinth
I read, presented as a "great new feature" that premium members would "from now on" get access to Adult areas. So I thought the age verification nonsense was finally a thing of the past... Until I bounced into a "virtual wall" flying somewhere high above mainland, minding my own business: "You have to be age-verified to enter this land" End of my flying trip! :(

So if getting access to adult areas does not mean the end of age verification, what _does_ it mean? I have always had access to adult areas. Does it maybe mean access to adult areas will be _taken away_ from non-premium members?

As far as age verification is concerned: I would like to wait until my account is 18 years old and then see if LL can refuse me the "age verified" status. :)

There is a parcel-level flag and also a sim level flag from before the Adult Sim Rating concept, that allowed a parcel owner or sim owner to require specificly the Aristotle Ave Verification check. So someone who has access to smut in Zindra today because they have payment info on file, but who has not done the Aristotle check, can still run into these parcels on Mainland that insist ONLY Aristotle ID is accepted.

Personally, I consider it an obsolete setting, that they should deprecate and remove.
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