Smutt Cummings
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Join date: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 2
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03-24-2007 13:55
Im watching my database turn on my bot at the moment.
The Database is still haveing problems. It wouldnt suprise me if it was some hack or grid attack.
And bots shouldnt effect the search grid that much If its setup the way I think its setup.
I believe SL uses a caching system, to cache searches, until thay change. This saves resources probly by a few thousand percent, really when bots are around, as bots are going to use a standard settings - less cache, less to regenerate = less resources.
So the search would basically be equivalent to static until the database is written to.. then the next unique query is cached.
The way the searches are currently returning also suggest this. The search runs perfectly smooth for a minute then mangles it self, several requests are summited then all returned at once after the database regerates.
It could possibly be a query attack, forcing the caching system to do a hole lot of new searches and cache them. That could easily force the load to be hundreds of times that of what average hole population put on it, bots included.
But needless to say, what ever the problem actually is, im pretty sure its having resource problems, its taking its time to regenerateing the cache.
With this theory 70% or so of the resources of the DB server would be from the unique searches, the rest would take almost nothing but bandwidth.
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Seven Overdrive
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Join date: 19 Jul 2005
Posts: 29
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Enough Already.
03-24-2007 14:18
From: Weedy Herbst Inventory does not use bandwidth. Searches do. Nobody will ever convince me that 7 bots hammering the DB every few seconds (day and night, esp during high server load) are not disproportionate resource hogs.
Judging from what I read in this post, the poster claims that everyone is at fault, except bots. To that end, I say ..... pfft. From: Reverend Herzog Fact: We're discussing the search server problems. The search server is not involved in downloading textures. Fact: The search server isn't involved in running lsl scripts. Fact: The search server isn't involved in pulling prims and other data from neighboring sims. Fact: the search server isn't involved in the number of prim attachments you wear. Fact: the search server is only marginally involved in querying inventory looking for that item you bought yesterday. Fact: the search server isn't involved in the number of inventory items you have.
You seem to be confusing the asset server and the search server.
Furthermore --- Fact: A bot uses far more search server resources than a regular client does when it's hammering search nonstop 24/7/52 as the landbots do.
Fact: Everyone has the right to respond to these surveys. Who are you to decide who has a right to do so?
Finally, if you don't like threads like this, then why read them let alone post in them? And why insult and deride the people who do, particularly when it's clear that you yourself have no idea what the search server does, how it's utilized in SL, and how the bots work and the load they put on said server? Good gawd! You both have made your points over and over and over again. We get it! You don't like bots as we have been told in every thread you can troll in. I'm not for or against them myself. Time to move on.
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Weedy Herbst
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Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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03-24-2007 14:33
From: Seven Overdrive Time to move on. Never, ever. As long as bots are hammering resources and greed prevails, I will never cease. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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Captain Jackalope
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Join date: 19 Mar 2007
Posts: 19
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03-24-2007 14:42
The landbot issue to me isn't the biggest problem with mainland. To me, the biggest problems are land griefers, who put up horrible builds next to good ones to for people to buy at extortionate prices, and adlots, which are closely related but even more of a problem because they are almost always permanent.
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Reverend Herzog
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Join date: 25 Jul 2006
Posts: 111
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03-24-2007 14:49
From: Seven Overdrive Good gawd! You both have made your points over and over and over again. We get it! You don't like bots as we have been told in every thread you can troll in. I'm not for or against them myself.
Time to move on. Seems to me that personal attacks like yours fit the profile of trolling far more than talking about landbots in a thread about landbots. Here's a free tip for you: if you start reading a thread and see it's about landbots, stop reading. That way you can keep your head blissfully buried in the sand.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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03-24-2007 15:41
From: Seven Overdrive Good gawd! You both have made your points over and over and over again. We get it! You don't like bots as we have been told in every thread you can troll in. I'm not for or against them myself. Time to move on. I'm sure it would have blown over more quickly if Ahzzmandius Werribee hadn't made up a bunch of irrelevant stuff to try to justify how bots have no impact on the Search Server. (Thanks for being a voice of reason Reverend!) I fall somewhere in the middle. 30,000 "online residents" bots or not use the search server on some sort of L shaped distribution. Some use it excessively... most of the excessive users are bots. Most use search rarely or at least infrequently. One bot can equate a few hundred non-bots with regards to search usage in any particular hour. Whatever caused it to melt down may be completely unrelated to current usage patterns but instead be the loss of back-end server power that resulted in fewer servers responding to queries. Are bots to blame for that or for the non-functional result? Some small degree more than non-bots searchers... very likely. Did I have a point? No. Just killing time.
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Strife Onizuka
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Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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03-24-2007 16:12
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