Cause of fried server

The Search server has died. Landbots have been hitting Search relentlessly with searches. Do you think the bots caused the server to fail?

No.

Whether they were the direct cause or not, there were at least 6 of them online hammering search when it went down last night, and at least 5 of them when it went down this morning. I doubt that helped the situation.

yes

I like pie?

During times of heavy server load and database issues, we are asked to not use search.

During those periods, the use of bots become even more increasingly "disproportionate".

How does an unattended bot get the message and respond?......... They can't and don't.

Soon, the Linden announcements will read "We are experiencing database issues and are currently investigating the cause. Anyone who is not a bot is asked to refrain from using search"

I seriously doubt bots are in any way responsible.... I doubt even the very heaviest load can make a healthy machine go down.

YAY!!! The return of pie in the polls! When the hell did it become common for polls to forget the pie? Sad sad thing when most polls these days no longer have an option for pie.

This survey just goes to show exactly how clueless people are as to what kind and level of resources that bots use.

Fact: Bots don't normally download Textures
Fact: Bots don't normally run lsl scripts
Fact: Bots don't noamlly pull prims and other data from surrounding sims.
Fact: Bots don't normally wear lots of attachment prims.
Fact: bots don't pull inventory repeatedly trying to find that newitem they bought yesterday.
Fact: Bots don't collect 20,000+ inventory items and then never clean them out.

Fact: An idle bot uses almost no real resources. An active bot uses a fraction of the resources as an official client.

Fact: The majority of surveys are filled out by people who have absolutely no real life experience or knowlege with which to base their vote on. Just ask any political candidate which matters more, fact or appearance.


Now please move on to something that has real real value instead of scaremongering.

*blinks at all the facts*

You surely know a lot of facts about bots....

Edit: It looks almost like you favour them....

And oh.... are clueless people like me not cute.... or something like that?

/me grabs another piece of pie.

No no... pie makes fat. So now you have to run 20 times around the building!

Inventory does not use bandwidth. Searches do. Nobody will ever convince me that 7 bots hammering the DB every few seconds (day and night, esp during high server load) are not disproportionate resource hogs.

Judging from what I read in this post, the poster claims that everyone is at fault, except bots. To that end, I say ..... pfft.

*giggles as she looks in conspiracy around her*
Maybe he owns some bots?????

Ohhh I forgot.... I am clueless...

I'm a programmer by trade. When one writes an automated process (bot) it's wise to avoid any and all unnecessary processing that you don't really need to be doing. By this rule bots are goign to be inherently more efficient and use less resources since they commonly focus on one task only.



Yes, I do favor them because noone has yet to show me how bots are truly harmfull to SL in general. All that I have ever heard are excuses based on jealousy and envy wrapped up in non-sensical arguments.



Lol, I have no idea if you are cute or not.

I just can't stand it when people get worked up into a frenzy over mass misconceptions or deliberate deciet.

I like to compare the advent of bots in SL to the advent of the industrial era. Back then the common fear was that industrialization was goign to put everyone that worked agriculture, or hand-made items out of business, and that these ex-workers wouldn't be able to find new jobs because they wouldn't exist anymore.

Well guess what, here we are many years later. I don't see the mass unemployment that those fear mongerers predicted. The same shrill cries of outrage were heard when automated manufacturing began. And again, another wave of shrill cries when computers started to become standard.

See a repeating pattern? I certainly do.

lesson: don't blame the tools, blame the operator of the tools.

translation: don't ban bots, ban the users that ABUSE SL with the bots. Don't hate or fear bots. Fear the people that want to harm SL (griefers).

I saw her profile pic and she definitly looks cute to me.

And a human clicking Search every second generates less DB usage how?

Where there used to be 100 land-grabbers, there are now maybe a dozzen land bots. If what several "real estate agents" have told me is true, it's more like 500+ land grabbers)

Seems to me that a dozen is less load than a hundred.

So tell me again, how is it that the bots are harming SL here?


btw, inventory DOES use bandwidth. How else does your client know what you have in your inventory? Why is it that attaching or rezing an object triggers "not in database" once in a while if it doesn't use bandwidth?

This type of statement is why I say most people are clueless. Some of the people in SL use their heard. The majority just spout off the party line instead of thinking.

You each know which of those two you are.

Well... I am no programmer or something like that. I am a business woman in RL...

I don´t know a lot about bots in SL..... but I do know that I disliked them very much in Lineage II. They stole resources... they caused lag.... the stole my oppertunity to get a good item... they involved in my fights... they stole the places I wanted to hunt... and because they were bots (automated processes) they could always beat my human reflexes....

Morwen.

Try pot. Is far less psychotropic than crack...cheaper too.

*smiles brightly*

Thank you

Ahzzmandius, you are nothing but an arrogant blowhard.

There are only "a dozen" bots on the grid? Really, now? Do tell.

A human being is only capable of banging on search so much. A bot can do so endlessly, 24/7, non stop. Add to that real people using search for legitamite reasons when it is crowded on the weekends and it can tip the whole thing over.

There is no reason not to question the use of land bots when search is taken offline, over and over. It is a perfectly reasonable question.

Fact: We're discussing the search server problems. The search server is not involved in downloading textures.
Fact: The search server isn't involved in running lsl scripts.
Fact: The search server isn't involved in pulling prims and other data from neighboring sims.
Fact: the search server isn't involved in the number of prim attachments you wear.
Fact: the search server is only marginally involved in querying inventory looking for that item you bought yesterday.
Fact: the search server isn't involved in the number of inventory items you have.

You seem to be confusing the asset server and the search server.

Furthermore ---
Fact: A bot uses far more search server resources than a regular client does when it's hammering search nonstop 24/7/52 as the landbots do.

Fact: Everyone has the right to respond to these surveys. Who are you to decide who has a right to do so?

Finally, if you don't like threads like this, then why read them let alone post in them? And why insult and deride the people who do, particularly when it's clear that you yourself have no idea what the search server does, how it's utilized in SL, and how the bots work and the load they put on said server?

*holds his pie next to the flames* Mmmm warm pie.

*forgets the thread and about getting fat*

PIEEEEEE...............

Morwen

Thank you. It's not often that someone uses the word "reasonable" in relation to something I do or say

Besides, it is a serious, honest, real question. I want to know.

Incidentally, I've found Pi to be much better in relation to SL than pie, especially when aligning textures on cylinders.