Newbie question - Camping

Hello, I've been reading though the tips for newbie thread, some say camping isn't a good way to earn L$





Camping isn't productive of the time spent in SL so I see why people wouldn't want to camp but what harm does camping cause?

Thanks
~Nox

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Recent thread on this topic - good luck.

For starters, campers cause lag which slows everything down. the more avatars in a sim, the mor epronounced the lag. so, if you have a lot of campers in a particular sim, just sitting there earning about five cents an hour or whatever there going rate is, it creates frustrating problems for everyone else.

Second, if a large amount of people ar elogged on at thesame time, it causes system wide problems such as inability to log on, inability to teleport, etc. If a large percentage of those logged on are simply avatars sitting, camping while away from their keyboards, they are creating problems for all the rest of us in pursuit of theminiscule amounts of money they are getting paid.

Thirdly, each sim can generally hold about 40 avatars. If 40 people are camped out in a sim, then even the people who own property inthat sim can't go to their own houses.

these are three reasons why peole dislike the PRACTICE of employing campers and generally hate those who hire campers. Its a vile practice.

In short, campers do nothing for their own enjoyment and produce nothing, while at the same time hogging server resources and preventing other people from enjoying Second Life. In a sim that has a casino filled with 40 occupied camping chairs, no one else can even enter the sim, even if they own land there. The only person who benefits from camping chairs is the person who installs them, as he/she hopes to rig the traffic ratings for their land and this make their search ranking show up higher in the list.

Two big reasons:

1. Lag: Avatars, even those just sitting there, consume valuable server (sim) resources. So, when you are camping, you are making life more laggy for other people that live in the same sim as the camping chairs.

2. Traffic Gaming: The only reason camping chairs exist is because land owners wish to make their location appear more popular that it really is. Search results are currently ranked based on something called "traffic" which takes into account the number of avatars that visited and spent a chunk of time on a parcel. When you camp, you are helping to artificially inflate the perceived popularity of a location, and collectively this has rendered traffic and search rankings utterly useless.

Hope this helps

I have no problem with those that employ campers on their private islands that are entirely theirs. That's really the only way to get high traffic rankings to put you on the Popular Places list. Commence critique of traffic based rankings...

All this in addition to the fact that you only earn pennies for hours of camping when you might as well just buy some Lindens.

Rather than asking us to critique, since you already know the arguments, why don't you just explain why you think it's okay to game the traffic system to artificially make your location seem more popular than it really is?

Because that is the norm. Every single place on the Popular Places list employs campers...

It doesn't bother you because it's the norm? Ok, Rosa Parks you are not, but at least you are clear about your position

Under that logic, maybe the popular places name should be changed to 'Busiest Camping Locations'?


Its rather sad but getting to be true, traffic ranks are more and more 'paid for numbers' just like classifieds. I sit here just wishing I had that kind of money to pay other people to just hang out and do nuffin since its hard to be SEEN any other way

I don't mind campers if the owner of the camp chairs limits them to 10-15 chairs total. I think it should become policy that each land owner is limited to a certain number per region (not parcel) and any violation of that limit causes them to get banned.

My advice....Try it for yourself. I think you will find it is a complete waste of time.

are you sure?


I went to the nude beach in the top ten the other day, i couldn't see a single camper.
Close to 100 people in the sim though.


And funnily enough just like RL the only ones getting nude were the men!!!!

HAHA

Fine, with a few rare exceptions, the vast majority of "Popular Places" are essentially camping locales. I don't have a "position" on camping; I was just calling a spade a spade.

Thank you all for answering my question, my first week here I camped not thinking any harm was being done, and on other occasions I've sat here and complained about the lag in some places *slaps own wrist*
I shall never look at a camping chair in the same light.
Thank you.
~Nox

You're welcome Nox. I am glad that we could help. Rockwell Ginsburg did make a good point. I really don't care what he does on a sim or island that he owns. If he wants to use campers, I could basically care less, so long as the entire system isnt overloaded.

I DO understand the desire to earn money in SL. One good way to do it is look for jobs as an event host/hostess. Many nightclubs, including the non sexually oriented ones, empoy people to act as greeters or event hosts/promotors. It mainly requires being friendly and somewhat creative. Typically an event host or hostess might propose a certain event like "Best in Red...starting at 8:00 SL time. 250L for best male and female in red, etc. I do this at a country western nightclub and its a fun job and, sinceI'm basically kind of shy, has led me to meet many wonderful people.

Good luck!!

at 3L per 10 min, thats 12,960 L$ a month (if you never got rebooted/kicked out)

making about $48 USD A month sitting around per account, not bad money.......

More then cover cost of being a subscriber and owning a tiny bit of land

I am A very new user and im just curious, if they can afford to pay you close to 50 USD a month to do nothing, how much are they making on the silly casino that is (at least everytime i've seen it) is totaly empty

Have been to those - they are actually camp spots. The campers sign in. Then are allowed to wander within certain lmits.

(I wore jeans and a blouse btw =p)

Camping is environmentally irresponsible.

Say 10% of people in SL at any time are camping (I think it would be a lot higher than that). The last figure I heard for the number of servers running SL was 6,500. That means 650 servers are effectively supporting campers.

Anyone who's been in a high density server room knows how hot 650 servers get. Think of all the power and cooling required to service those camping avatars who are doing absolutely nothing.

Then there's all the switches, routers and what-not between the camper's RL location and the SL servers, not to mention the camper's own computer, router etc.

Agreed. The resources consumed by the servers used to support camp spots could power a few small villages somewhere in a third world country. But who's to judge that camping is worse than any other use of server resources. If someone wants to pay $295 per month to run an island, and pay $50-100 more PER DAY to support a camping site, so be it. It's their world, their imagination, their money, their land. I agree, camping doesn't add much to the community, but who are we to tell people how to spend their L$?

I agree with you too Rockwell. It's not my place to tell people how to spend their L$. Just like it's not my place to tell people who use 4WDs (SUVs) to drive their kids to football (soccer) practice that they're killing the planet quite a bit more than they need to. But, I do feel the need to at least express my opinion

Camping irks me. I hate to see all this technology and energy being wasted on something so ... trivial. I really wish LL would do something to eliminate the camping aspect of SL.

Linden Labs used to pay a bonus to high traffic sims, the higher the traffic the more money they got, that's where camping chairs came from. When LL relized that they were getting scammed by landowners setting up caming chairs instead of trying to run a genuinely popular place they stopped the bonus.

So, when camping became a problem for LL they did somthign about it. Camping has become a major problem for the residetns of SL, particularly primium members with mainland homes on the same sim as campers, but LL wont do anything to stop it.

Imagine a world without campers. Less lag, always being able to get home, searches that actualy returned what you were looking for without casino spam and a list of popular places that were really fun to visit.

Vale

LOL...thats funny
So with all of this money that you're making, what are you going to do with it? How's that SL experience working for you?

Be careful, its a trick question.

So you made 12,920 L in one month for sitting in a camping chair the entire time....are you enjoying yourself?
no...don't get up and mingle...stay there or you'll lose money.

no....don't get up and explore the wonderful world....stay there or you'll lose money

no......don't get up to enjoy that little plot of land you just bought...stay there or you'll lose money.

Hi
I am a night club casino operator and i use camp chairs and camp/dance pads put the numbers are limited to 3 or 4 of each and i do turn them off when i check the people in the server and it is getting crowded

i also will turn them off under avi's that are marked away if i catch them or if they do not respond in chat to me when i talk to them

i have no problem helping new people get a start in SL with a few LD but it can not be taken advantage of

i have 12 -15 active people in my club most nights and maybe 1 will be on a camp pad but they are also invovled in the conversation that is going on around them.

i am also hiring people at this time so if your needing a job to make a few LD come talk to my wife pammie Boyd she is at the club most evenings

if you think you want to DJ talk to William Otoole he is at the clubs most evenings also

or just Im me i am normaly off buying something some where but am around


Hope to see you at House of Music to join the party

and on the weekend of 4/8 - 4/8 there will be 5,000 $LD giving away in 100 $LD chuncks thru out the weekend
so there are ways to make money with out having to be camping 24/7


Dragger Allen