Camping

Is there a way to not get kicked off for bieng idle. Besides doing something in SL whithin 30 minutes?

im sure there is , but you didnt come to a place very sympathetic of camping chairs.

Good luck with your search for whatever the camp zombies use to stay camp zombies!

-I dont blame the campers, I blame the Traffic System.

Jerod,
...what Colette said..

BUT, do NOT go out and buy one of those "Camp forever" attachments. (Seriously).
Because I'm afraid you might actually do that, I'm going to explain WHY you shouldn't buy one and then almost answer your question.

"Campers" are disliked by many of us, because the 'camping' slows down the entire SIM for others. And, if you put enough campers in one club, nobody else can even enter the rest of the SIM--even if they own property.

A device that says it will let you 'Not Get Logged out of SL', adds even MORE script load to the SIM, slowing everyone down even further.

If you are going to camp, all you need to do is check on 2 things:
1. There's a preference in SL that determines the length of idle time before you are logged out. A setting of zero is forever.
2. your PC probably has a screensaver, idle detecter. Turn that off.

====== True Confessions ==========
Once upon a time, I went camping for a week or two....
When I first joined SL, before I knew that i would stay, and when I had no Lindens, and before I knew how annoying others found campers to be.

If you activate the hidden "client" menu, and then selection a certain option hidden in that menu, SL will never make you fall asleep or log you out for being idle.

Since you are asking this in order to camp, I have no interest in telling you how or where to find either of those.

You could ask a fellow camper-zombie, but they aren't all that responsive. And they have a tendency to try to eat the living. Be careful!

camper == sucker (resources, bandwidth, etc etc)

And they drool

Dont forget the drool

Ok, I'm feeling generous. To activate that hidden menu, you need to collect a teddy bear from each of the Lindens. Happy hunting!

I figure I spend 150 to 300 usd a month in SL I deserve to camp few days week when I am broke.
How much do spend in cash or you guys just rich?
Find alternative to camping chairs there won't be any or perhaps you think because you can thousands of usd worth of lindens you're above those who do.
People use camping money to buy clothes, pay rent when there isn't another alternative then sexual exploitation for few Lindens.
It not the campers fault if owner puts tons and tons of camping chairs in. Its owners fault if it shuts down your land and bandwidth. And the Lindens for poorly managing the space allotments on servers.
How are they going to be next thing to internet if they can only handle so many people?
To disable away which won't make you crash free is do this
press ctrl alt D until client is popped up look for disable away click it to make x go away.
You also need to redo this each time they have updates.

you just have to turn off idle in the menu as mentioned above

i think its ctrl alt D and look for character and afk settings uncheck the box that makes you go idle when afk its cheaper then those things and it works

I never go idle i hate slouching I do that enough In real world and when i saw that you slouched when you went afk I turned it off cause its fugly long long ago

and if you must camp do this you aren't running a script on top of it and causing more server load but there are more exciting things to do other then camp but i'm sure you have gotten all the evil camper sermons already

Go and do THIS instead.

The problem isn't the CAMPERS.. the problem is the owners of the places, who put out "more than a reasonable number" of chairs.

You can't blame people from "sitting down for some free money"... if they don't have payment info on file.. this may be a noobs only way to make a few bucks. Especially since there's no stipends for anything below Premium (and hasn't been as long as I've been here).

Frankly, "Camping" is the only "Job" that most people in SL can get. There's a jobs for talented, skilled people.. and work to be had for skilled artists and programmers.. and for those who have the eye and money to improve their avatar to "stripper" or "escort" quality.. But for everyday joes off Isla Noobo... Camping may be their first "sure thing".

The fact that most camping sites are now "huge banks of chairs" or "nothing at all" is discouraging. Many a time it was nice to see a single camping chair in a location.. or two. And back in the day it was not uncommon to find a couple of friends sitting together, chating away... picking up a few bucks while hanging out with a friend.

Of course, now it's become a machine. A backup PC in a dusty corner, hooked up to a router, running 2, 3, 4 instances of the client.. with drones. Logged in, set to camp, minimize. Surely there's other technology that allows even more camp drones.. some kind of command line client perhaps. The simple fact is that one camping chair in one place, is now so likely to be camped by a drone.. that there's very few spaces left for "real people" to set up camping overnight, and wake up a hundred lindens richer.

Of course.. those places that live or die on their traffic scores (like casino and clubs.. where one is essentially the same as another) see the lucrative potential of underpaying chairs, that WILL fill with drones, no matter what they pay. The days of $5/10m are gone.. and the days of $3/10m quickly coming to an end. As landowners soon begin to realize that THEY can create an army of drones themselves.

THe real problem, is the traffic concept itself.. and the remnant "need" to be shown as "popular"... of course.. searches have to be ordered somehow.. look at the abuse of the classifieds. where people will place dozens of identical ads in an effort to push their competition off the first page.. and where people will pay thousands of lindens per week for an ad.. and STILL try the old ~/\~\/~ !!! Cars !!! ~\/~/\~ trick.

It's not an easy problem to fix.. but it needs to be dealt with at the true source of the issue: Linden Labs. Heaping your animosity upon the poor noobs that are willing to do anything for a few pennies... is not only misplaced, it's downright snobbish.

Those people may be very well trying to scrape up enough money to afford YOUR products.

wow this anti camper thing sounds alot like bigotry
btw most on the anti campers people were at one time BIG campers lol
camp and dont listen to them..its a fast way to get cash while you learn about sl.
ya dont see many complain about the lights and moveing textures in clubs and the danceing all make way more lag... more graphical movenet and syncing needed so camp like mad

Yeah? Truthfully, I have sat on a camping chair only once. And my honest opinion was , what a huge effin' waste of time.

As for the lights and moving textures, you are right, they do cause lag. But adding those causes lag in a linear relationship, while adding an extra avatar causes lag in an exponential relationship, thanks to the way the network functions. An extra bit of lag because someone or something is doing something I can interact with in some manner I dont mind. Lag for lag's sake is shjtty.

*giggles*

I made one time a remark to the owner of a place with camping chair (in a neighbor sim of my house), next day I was banned from the place . Not that I mind too much about that... he wasn't selling anything special.

To that, when I go shopping, I want to have fun... a shop must look nice. Camping chair to camping chair looks plain ugly.
Now, I have to be honest. Yesterday I saw a area with 4 ot 5 campers at most. One was a street musician, one was doing the windows fo a shop. I have a lot less problems with that. When not over done, it is even kinda cute in this way.

Morwen.

I checked this out and found out it is run by amazon so i didnt even need to sign up or anything as i already have an amazon account.
Anyway i did's few of their "mechanical tasks" which were quick and easy and it all wroked fine.

Now if they could integrate this within SL it would be even better as i would much prefer to get my earnings in Lindens rather save them up for something on amazon or to transfer to my account. That would take to long for too little compared to other work in RL, but in SL i would get a reasonable return if i was just trying to get a quick few lindens in order to buy an item i desired RIGHT NOW!!!
For what i did i got $0.01US and it took me about half a minute, now that would be about 2.5 lindens, much better than any camping situation. But i didnt get paid in lindens which i wish i could have.

I think someone should find a way to get this into SL and that would help get rid of camping maybe or at lease lessen the desire to camp(considering they could earn much more this way), i guess it is similar to the hippiepay machines, but i believe amazon is much more trustworthy and i know that they will only send me spam id i ask them to.

Does anyone know how this could be integrated within SL?
Anyone in SL workfor amazon who could tell their boss or bosses what a great ideaa this would be?

Suggestion Osprey suggested truthfully just reminds me of Iwon or Hippiepay.
I wouldn't do it. I just need gig I can do when I am not building, socialize or making textures that doesn't stress me out, require sex so that when I spent all my real life cash on upgrading my land I can with camping I pay for other things like uploads, rent for shops where no one really buys stuff but everyone camps but I do this to thank the owners for allowing me to have place so that I can share my art and content with others.
Perhaps nothing sells because I am just not very talented but either way all economies need jobs and incomes and unless you buy every L you have or very talented, get recognition you're basically stuck to camping chairs or spending money or those stupid phishing harvesting like scam like things hippie pay or cyber sexual prostution for pennies.
If I wanted to work in sex industries for pennies I do it in real life.

WHat is Iwon?

This is similar to hippiepay but i found it a lot quicker and more interesting. Also hippiepay has a repuation for casuing harms to is users computers or being a phishing scam like you said. But i have been an amazon customer for a long time so i know they arent trying to hurt me and i have no problem trusting them. I still wouldnt enter my email or anything into any surveys i did through them but most of there stuff deems to be more about classifying websites etc anyway.

I was very easy, much easier than Hippiepay. It took me only a minute or so to earn $0.10Us which is approx $25L, beats 10 mins of camping for $2L.

If it's just a matter of earning small change in SL, I've found that money tree touring is much more efficient. I started at the money tree directory site and randomly chose trees to visit. On average, I earned about $L2 per minute, and that's with stopping to check out the areas I visited. I took care to check the location on the map before I TPd to the region and just avoided areas with high concentrations of people and thus likely to have lag. But even on a good day, it's a waste of time compare with just spending $US 3 of my Paypal balance and going and finding something meaningful to do in SL.

However, if it's a matter of just camping and leaving it to do something meanigful in RL, it seems to be to be a natural outgrowth of LL's laissez faire economy which usually privileges business activity over others and seems to suggest that avoiding casinos, and selling out when they move in, is the way to combat camping and whatever other exploitive practices develop in the future. I don't like it, but I don't expect it to change soon. It'd probably reach a crisis in the eyes of LL if problem camping increases to the point that they need to reduce the motivation to do so.

You spend US$150-$300 a month in SL, which works out to L$40,000-80,000

You must have A WHOLE LOT of alts if you're making an amount of money camping that is not an utterly insignificant fraction of that!

Take US$2-3 of your $150-$300 (i.e. about 1%), and use that money for whatever you'd be using the camping-earned money for.

The idea that you spend that much money in SL and yet somehow are broke enough that camping could matter to your bottom line is... absurd.

In part, it's how you play the game - if you choose to make a game of SL. Lots of people seem to make a game of doing SL without putting a penny into it. If you do that, things like camping give you something to work with, even though it sure ain't much.

A camper is basically selling their "Traffic Points" to the camping chair owner.

If its one account and thats what you do while surfing the web or w/e - well, The camping chair owner's buying and your not doing anything with those points...

Multiple accounts logged in on some computer "camping zombies" - then the camper is taking advanage of the whole situation.

Again if they remove the Traffic number - the situation goes away .. easy as that.

"Frankly, "Camping" is the only "Job" that most people in SL can get. There's a jobs for talented, skilled people.. and work to be had for skilled artists and programmers.. and for those who have the eye and money to improve their avatar to "stripper" or "escort" quality.. But for everyday joes off Isla Noobo... Camping may be their first "sure thing"."

less everyday joes in sl please, more musicians, artists, builders, and scripters x

Absolutely. It's pretty clear that LL's initial "once they figure out how traffic works, it'll come to an end" isn't working. Add to that (and to my horror) that the Official Guide actually lists CAMPING as a viable occupation for newbies, and I am completely stymied as to any other possible solution.

Traffic is an outdated holdover from "webhits." It's time to end it and let it go the way of the developer's incentive. IF Linden Lab is so concerned about newbies being able to make money, let them institute that public works program (e.g., building roads and infrastructure) they keep saying is on the table.

Kam

Your world, your lack of imaginative pursuits, our heads squarely up our recta.

Either:

1. LL has no idea how camping adversely affects their service
   
2. They do understand and penalize all players with system overload so they can keep their login numbers high
   

*shudder*