Enough is enough, perminant ban needed.

I'm on a mission to return the part of second life i love to its former glory, combat.

Before you jump to conclusions.. "noobs with cages and orbiters, ban weapons from sl" please take time to read this post.

CANT BE BOTHERED WITH THE HISTORY?.. then jump to the second post..

1. LOCATION.
Rausch sandbox, red team sandbox and blue team sandbox. 3 sims of linden owned land with damage enabled dedicated to combat. Its the only place like it in the whole of second life, no other sims allow build, push, damage, and scripts without the need to wear some kind of 'role play hud' and comply to thier roleplay rules. Full on no holds barred combat fun

2. THE REGULARS
I can think of around 30 people who call this place their 'home' they are here everyday without fail because this is what they enjoy doing in second life. We are a very helpfull bunch, offering advice to anyone how might ask. The regulars also include many scripting geniuses, shockingly clever people who are forever pushing the bounderies of what can be achived in second life.

3. THE 'GRIEFERS' / NEWCOMERS
This is a place where the regular 'griefer' can come and be accepted. The last thing you want is someone coming onto your land and caging and orbiting people right? Well this is what rausch and the surrounding is for, why not send them a landmark!
By saying 'griefer' i mean someone who craves and enjoys combat but does not know where its acceptable. They want to try out all this cool stuff, they want to vent some anger, they want to just kill the fisrt person they see?.... rausch is there home, they just dont know it yet. There are loads and loads of new comers, people i've never met before, looking to try out stuff they just brought.

4. MMM LINDENS LOVELY LINDENS
I've spent at least 70k on weapons, which is more than my misses has spent on shoes, clothes and hair styles put together (and wow does she like shopping!), there's no doubt weapons are a good money spinner for second life. Most of these weapons have no effect outside rausch (no damage, push disabled etc) Without a place to enjoy and use these weapons, i for one would be 70k better off and proberbly would have got bored of SL and be playing world of warcaraft or battlefield by now.

5. BEFORE I GET TO THE POINT!
Just imagine if there was no rausch....... all of the above would have no where to go, accecpt maybe your sim... people need a place like this to keep them our of your hair.

6. JESUS WHAT IS THIS GUYS POINT?
The whole point of this post comes down to one person and his many many alts. The real desciption of a griefer... someone who simply wants to annoy as many people as possible, someone who does not contribute anything to second life, someone who wants to make as many lindens as they can regardless of how they do it?
This is so much more than your neighbor sticking tree's though your house or having rude pictures 50 meters tall up the side of your land or throwing 1 million mario particle your way. It could be the end of an era as we know it, the end of a real combat freedom controlled sim... If this guy does not get banned, expect many many serious griefers coming your way.

THE MISSION
1) To remove one single (non payment) person and his/her many alt accounts from second life who is ruining the enjoyment of at least 30, maybe hundereds of other people.

2) THE FACTS AND REASON
This person rezzes 'nerve monsters' that are for sale, on linden owned land. Hundreds at a time day in day out because he (quote) "makes 4k a day from them" Over 1000 prims, containing scripts and flexi prims are at this very moment in Rausch

3) THE RESULT
Client side (mostly) and server lag, to the point where attachments cannot be attached, moving 5 meters takes several mins, rendering all 3 sims unusable for what they were created for.

4) THE PROOF
First, please see this post from 2 months ago.. yes, this has been happening for over 2 months, with no result from dozens or AR's placed by regulars of this sim.

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A screen shot from today, please remember these items, 'nerve monsters' are scripted, multi primmed and flexi primmed, making even movement in this sim impossible. There are close to 2000 prims in this screen shot. (the green things)

*sighs* Sounds like the rest of the Linden Sandboxes frankly. They've become cluttered messes that lag worse than a sim with 30 avatars in it at one time. I've spent more time in those sandboxes ARing scripted followers that 'shove' people or scream like banshees in a blender.

Problem is that unless a Linden is there, it's not going to change. Keep ARing, send them images of it. Heck, go down the list of Liaisons and send them a copy of the object, if you must.. with a notecard explaining the issue. (Although you may risk banning yourself doing this.)

I'd help in the ARing, but I'm not into combat. Sorry.

I see your point but one thing sticks out.... the rest of the 'sandboxes' are for building and contain griefers

Rausch and the surrounding sims are damage enabled, the only ones of its kind n the whole of second life, not really for building, more for cambat.

True.. but think of it this way: The 'sandboxes' are 'full' so, where are those that plunk down their stuff and leave gonna go to plunk down their stuff and leave? Rausch, of course.

At least in Rausch, you can shoot the idiot before they leave and send them home in style!

Eh, I may go ahead and pop in to see the green blobbies and AR them.

Still, keep ARing! Encourage everyone to AR them, instead of buying them. Include screenies and if you can a few sim stats to show that they are the cause.

Oh, how I wish Live Help was still around!

Your problem is in expecting property that is owned by everyone/no one to have the same degree of care shown to it as property that is privately owned.

I kinda agree with you but the fact this is linden owned land should mean they take care of it should'nt they? This kinda stuiff would not be going on in newbie island or what ever its called, is it a case of once your paying your cash, tough shit?

At the moment this one guy is laughing in the face of the lindens, months on he's still doing this. I personally would be pretty embaressed about this situation if i was a linden.

I am a regular at Rausch and its surrounding sims, spending many hours there working on my line of combat equipment and testing my devices. I have been affected by this situation, as well as countless others. These "green blobs" as I call them are not your average follower. They cause massive lag, etc, just as Thunder said. I can confirm that these devices are ruining these 3 sandboxes. I am up for almost any solution to this problem.

The followers themselves do not do much harm just by following, if they were banned then all other weapons that followed someone would have to be banned. However, they are used to cause intentional lag, which is against the Terms of Service.

Very well put, Thunder.

I too spend a lot of time at Rausch. It's not just for combat, it's also for pushing scripting and SL to their limits. It's a constant arms-race to find or create something superior to what was available last month. On top of it all, it's my home away from home, where many of my SL friends are sure to be found.

One person is ruining it for us all. I submitted my first AR on him today even though this could have easily been my 10th.

Part of the problem I see is that it is Rausch. It must be hard for Lindens to take abuse reports seriously coming from there. If something nasty can be done to someone, it is done at Rausch, where those things are allowed. Surprisingly, however, most people are great sports about it. Even still, if someone just wants to kill repeatedly and be king-of-the-sim, so be it. There is no rule about being a good sport there. If you are mean, you'll just get more enemies. This isn't about that, however. This is someone who shows up in the sim for one minute each day and closes the three regions down for hours at a time.

For the past week he has come into Rausch and done this every day, making the region unusable.

First, why has nothing been done about it? I know that this person and his alts have been reported time and again, and not just for this incident. It is time for some help from LL.

Also, why have a five-hour return time? This guy will not be the last one to leave lag devices in the sim. If you are building, are you really going to go for several hours before you take a copy? Even if setting up a base or something on the land, that is too long to wait. The auto-return should be closer to one hour.

Creating or placing devices for the sole purpose of creating lag is a grid attack and should be handled like a grey goo attack by LL.

I agree, but again LL hasn't done anything yet. I can so understand the frustration of those trying to build there.

Mandy C

Another day another laggy sim full off his junk..

When I started I was very interested in learning to build and script. I went the public sandboxes ans was hounded by griefers like everyone else. In the end I got so sick of this I put in a private sandbox on my land 500m up with nine security orbs. But not everybody has that option.

The fact is that Lindens cannot be in every place all the time, and the responce to a griefer happens well after the event. I think it's time that Lindens enpowered some members to deal with these people.

Enpowered members in a special Linden group with the ability to send an AV to the cornfield for an hour, a day, a week ?

Easy solution to an ever more annoying problem

A) Eventually the griefer will leave. I remember hitting Rausch a few weeks ago, and this person wasn't spamming then; I imagine in another week or two he won't be spamming.

B) You might take advantage of the situation. When I go to sandboxes, I rez a cube and flatten it into a platform. Then I send it up into the air a few hundred meters and build in peace. You could take the same tack and rez a platform for aerial combat. Just make sure it's high enough to be away from the lag-fests on ground level. Might be neat to see people fighting in the clouds on an invisible megaprim-platform, using the fog as cover....

C) What bugs me the most is this guy is obviously lying. L$4K for those things? as if.... He'll eventually get bored with this, he'll find someone else to pick on, or he'll grow up; you just have to be patient.

"Who watches the watchmen?"

No.

Just No. "Police" in SL would be a griefer-magnet. Every idiot wanting to push people around would join, and that would mean LL would need to start doing background checks on those who apply. At 30,000 USD a check, I don't want to pay the increased land tier this would create, thank you.

Now, as for solutions to this problem:

1) Have everyone effected by this file Support Tickets (once it's back up) in addition to the ARs. Come up with a common title, and text for the Ticket. Same title, same text. Within the text, list off every name of every Resident (with their permission) that is going to file such a Ticket and state in the Ticket about referencing all the other support accounts to show LL that this is one big complaint. Basically signing a petition to LL. Also, due to the complexity of the Support page (read confussing, poorly laid out design), have one person, who is the spokesman, decide what Support path to enter the Ticket on, and have all follow this same path (ie Region>> Techinical>> etc). Support Tickets can have attachments. Take screenshots (Include the Ctrl+Shift+1 stats if you can), and attach all relevant information. As you said, the people of Rauch aren't stupid. Use that tech knowledge to PROVE to LL that this is screwing up the sim.

2) I know of several weapons that remove scripted items like this and toss them offworld if they are physical&scripted. I am unsure if this object is physical (was never stated that it was). If they can not be removed, create a fully enclosing box to cover them. While this will not remove the script-lag, it will help in the client-lag of rendering all the flexie and prims.

Good luck, and I hope LL actually gets off their rear ends and does something about this. THIS is the real proplem with SL, not all the "sex" and "gambling" going on, but the buttheads who have so little of a life that their only prupose in existances is to annoy others.

~Jessy

I've done the 'plywood prim over the scam' trick myself and the boxes over the idiotic toy could be the answer for now. I can see at least two outcomes, both of which are good as far as I'm concerned.

a) The guy crashes the sim in a bid to become 'top dog' in revenge. But, by doing so, he also puts himself on the 'hook'em and book'em list,' which might get him banned sooner.. when LL finally sees all the AR's against him.

b) The guy gives up and goes to litter the regular sandboxes.. which means he enters a whole new field of annoyance, given that the regular Linden sandboxes are already prim laden, lag infested pits of despair.

Keep ARing and as Jessica said, file support tickets too.

Helpfull? Haha. I have never been able to visit Rausch. Every time i try to port there i am instantly killed and teleported back out. Killed so quickly, in fact, that i have never been able to take a step, or even see the ground around me finish rezzing. Thanks for all the 'help'

TP to just over the sim line then IM a team and ask to be included in it? Or watch where people are on the minimap then proceed stealthily?

Those are good ideas, but sadly they dont help much. These objects use non-physical movement, so they can not be disrupted. In addition, they flock to the nearest person within 96m (and are very large linked sets), so it would be hard to cover them up.

Use this then. It may take time, but have a "decoy" go within 96m of all of them, fly slowly up to 750m in one corner of the sim, then TP out to another sim and back at normal level. Put up warning posters at 650m (a sphere a good 100m around the things in the air) so no one flies within the danger zone.

Might also be a good idea to have the decoy as someone with the best graphics card of all available since this is prolly going to lag that person to hell while doing this.

Not a solution (those are still AR's and Support Tickets), but might clear the sim for use again.

~Jessy

Nastasja, you could teleport 700 meters up instead of the ground. This gives you time to armor up yourself without notice as you fall.

i went there today (as my indian girl alt), to see wut all the fuss was about. i got lucky. there were only about 10 people at the time, all seemingly friendly and not trying to kill me.

but i got out pretty fast too, after a brief conversation and a little complementing. i've never been 'killed' in SL before. just get TP'd back to your home, eh? that's not so bad.

Once again, a good suggestion. However, the monsters lock themselves to near ground level.

Thank you for changing that, 3Ring.