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Turn off the "No Entry" sign?

Atheist Ferraris
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03-29-2007 00:53
Hi.

Recently I bought some land on the side of a tall mountain. It was exactly what I had been looking for, as it was somewhat isolated from its neighbors (who are either at the top of bottom of the mountain), and had a great view. Had being the key word here. Today when I signed in, I noticed something depressing. The owner of the land below mine (we share a border, though his land is 50 or so meters lower) decided that nobody should have access to that parcel, and now the entire edge of my land--the edge with the great view--has this stupid "No Entry" texture repeated all the way along it.

I guess it's not a big deal, but it does spoil the view, and it's just annoying to see it there at all times. I was hoping there would be a display setting to disable that warning message. I know I won't be able to enter my neighbor's land, or fly over it (fine with me, it's an ugly building anyway), I would just like to remove that message. Is it possible at all?

Thanks.

Ath.
Warda Kawabata
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03-29-2007 01:07
the only way to avoid seeing that no entry banner is to close your eyes. :(
cHex Losangeles
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03-29-2007 02:01
You could try introducing yourself nicely to your neighbor, and ask him to put you on the exception list. That way you won't see the ban lines, though your visitors still will.
Francesca Alva
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03-29-2007 03:09
It's just possible your neighbour doesn't realize the ban lines are up - he, of course, wouldn't see them. I knew someone who didn't understand that by naming people in the access tab he was effectively banning everyone else.
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Sys Slade
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03-29-2007 03:52
Maybe you'll get "lucky" with the new client version. I keep runing into invisible banlines.
Saying that though, my neighbours ones are still as highly visible as ever.
Erised Young
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03-29-2007 04:55
From: cHex Losangeles
You could try introducing yourself nicely to your neighbor, and ask him to put you on the exception list. That way you won't see the ban lines, though your visitors still will.


That's what I did, too. When I bought my parcel, I put the neighbors that bordered my parcel on my access list, that way they wouldn't have to look at the ban lines through their windows or while they were outside on their property. I asked them if they could do the same for me, and most of them were very receptive. :)
Roman Galileo
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03-29-2007 05:06
Another thing to try is to gently explain the awesomeness of the auto-return
option and related tools in contrast to the ban lines option. Ban lines are really
just a huge inconvenience to everyone and don't guarantee privacy at all.

You could turn on your own ban lines just to show the neighbor what a hassle they are and how hostile they may you look as a neighbor in the event as above
that the person cannot see how they look to you.

You could try to get your neighbor to identify exactly what it is they are trying to accomplish and possibly achieve it in a different manner.

The worst scenario is an owner that buys land, puts up ban lines and then is never logged in for long periods of time.
Bodhisatva Paperclip
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03-29-2007 05:20
From: Francesca Alva
It's just possible your neighbour doesn't realize the ban lines are up - he, of course, wouldn't see them. I knew someone who didn't understand that by naming people in the access tab he was effectively banning everyone else.


Am I understanding this correctly? If I put one person on my access list that puts up ban lines and gives everyone else the boot? That would explain a comment someone once made when visiting me and why she stayed on the neighbor's land...No wonder I don't have any friends!
Rock Vacirca
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03-29-2007 05:21
Offer to buy your neighbour a security system that keeps people not on an access list off his land. These can be had for L$1 each now (check slexchange for black box security).

This will accomplish almost what he has in mind, the difference being that security devices work on a ban radius, i.e they are circular or spherical, rather than the exact borders of aplot, as with the Ban Lines from parcel settings. But they are a great compromise. Make sure the range of the security device is set to be a circle within your neighbours plot, or the range could cross into your plot too.

Rock
Paola Delpaso
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03-29-2007 05:29
From: Roman Galileo
Another thing to try is to gently explain the awesomeness of the auto-return
option and related tools in contrast to the ban lines option. Ban lines are really
just a huge inconvenience to everyone and don't guarantee privacy at all.

You could turn on your own ban lines just to show the neighbor what a hassle they are and how hostile they may you look as a neighbor in the event as above
that the person cannot see how they look to you.

Amen to that! Ban lines provide no privacy at all and make walking around just inconvenient. I think the help documentation is not sufficiently clear on that, hence many people believe that erecting the red fence somehow protects them.

It is very easy to, let's say, un-blind windows or open/close doors within a house with folks inside in the middle of a Banned parcel. (Mind that I would never do that nor invite other to do so.)
Sterling Whitcroft
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03-29-2007 05:55
There's a setting <somewhere> in the XML file stored in the Second Life library that determines whether or not Ban Lines are shown. YOu can turn them off. (you still can't access the property, the lines just don't show up). This was discussed in <i think> the Technical Forum. Try searching there on 'ban lines' if you want more info.
Atheist Ferraris
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03-29-2007 17:06
Thanks so much for the advice, guys.

I'll probably end up talking to my neighbour and seeing if I can be added to his/her exception list, as it would be nice to be able to fly straight to my land without having to go around this massive blockade that spans the entire front side of the property.

I appreciate the info, Sterling. While disabling the ban lines would help greatly with restoring my view, I realize now that it wouldn't solve the problem entirely. I still wouldn't be able to fly over my neighbour's land to get a better look at the underside of my house, and it would be confusing when I ran into other peoples' ban lines while flying around elsewhere, as I wouldn't see them approaching, and I'd be unable to see where they ended.

I'm just a little nervous about asking, because I don't know how they'll take it. And the last thing I need is a disgruntled neighbour with the ability to build a giant wall right beside my land, blocking my entire view. ;-)

Rock, the security boxes seem like an interesting idea. I'd certainly be more inclined to use one of those than surround my entire property with "no entry" lines. Positioning it so that it just covers your house would be perfect, and it wouldn't stop others from flying overhead, or cutting across the corners of your yard while passing through. I'll suggest it if this guy is adamant about not letting anyone in his weird-looking fortress.
Banking Laws
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03-29-2007 17:36
From: Roman Galileo
Another thing to try is to gently explain the awesomeness of the auto-return
option and related tools in contrast to the ban lines option. Ban lines are really
just a huge inconvenience to everyone and don't guarantee privacy at all.

You could turn on your own ban lines just to show the neighbor what a hassle they are and how hostile they may you look as a neighbor in the event as above
that the person cannot see how they look to you.

You could try to get your neighbor to identify exactly what it is they are trying to accomplish and possibly achieve it in a different manner.

The worst scenario is an owner that buys land, puts up ban lines and then is never logged in for long periods of time.


No, but they help ALOT. Ban lines you can at least see. would you prefer invisible security orb with just a 10 second warning before eject? Personally my typical settings are 90m radius (but stays within my borders), and eject after 10 seconds warning unless on the allowed list or groupsafe.

Really, ban lines ar emuch nicer. And you can't get vehicles on my land anyway so don't worry about that as a factor - object entry off.
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Kidd Krasner
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03-29-2007 17:42
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip
Am I understanding this correctly? If I put one person on my access list that puts up ban lines and gives everyone else the boot? That would explain a comment someone once made when visiting me and why she stayed on the neighbor's land...No wonder I don't have any friends!


This is a common approach for many cases of access control (including a certain very popular vendor of body parts not provided by Linden). It makes perfect sense - if you want to allow everyone, then there's no reason to have specific people on an access list.

Access control can be confusing. You've just got to bite the bullet to learn it.
WannaPiEcE Crabgrass
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03-29-2007 17:42
Request a feature to disable Parcel Access visual "red-tape".


Sounds like a great idea and you would get alot of support from residents.

Or maybe its in the Debug menu, There are alot of settings in there and not too sure if it is in there or not, worth a look!

Nope, I looked, it isnt
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03-29-2007 18:03
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip
Am I understanding this correctly? If I put one person on my access list that puts up ban lines and gives everyone else the boot? That would explain a comment someone once made when visiting me and why she stayed on the neighbor's land...No wonder I don't have any friends!



I'm not sure that is true at all. I have "ban lines" around my property and have given specific avatars access to my land. Just about a week ago a stranger wandered by who was not on my access list and asked about my house I was building at the time. I invited him in to come see.........and the only thing I did was temperarily remove my ban lines and he was able to enter my property. I did not add him to my access list and I did not remove my access list. So my take is that having an access list does not automatically deny anyone else from entry..........it's the "allow anyone" (or whatever it says) being checked or unchecked that does that.
Kitty Barnett
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03-29-2007 18:16
From: Roman Galileo
Another thing to try is to gently explain the awesomeness of the auto-return option and related tools in contrast to the ban lines option. Ban lines are really
just a huge inconvenience to everyone and don't guarantee privacy at all.
I honestly don't care whether you stand at the edge of my land and cam around, that doesn't bother me at all and it's likely I wouldn't know anyway. In the odd case that it is a problem, I'll drop the access restriction for a second and they're always dumb enough to walk across in which case I'll send them home.

Random people feeling they have some right to come snoop around my house (whether I'm there or not really makes no difference) and make themselves at home, or think it makes a pretty little sandbox, or a place to hold a party, or an orgy, or whatever else are a huge inconvenience to me, and in the end I'm the one paying the bills, they're not.

I don't care about privacy, there is none, but I do care about keeping my land private given how people who do trespass are rude, abusive, uncaring, or just start and continue to grief after you politely ask them to leave, or even try to say hello which is usually silently ignored. Having them not able to get to the land is an instant cure for all those headaches and wasted time dealing with it.

From: Atheist Ferraris
I still wouldn't be able to fly over my neighbour's land to get a better look at the underside of my house, and it would be confusing when I ran into other peoples' ban lines while flying around elsewhere, as I wouldn't see them approaching, and I'd be unable to see where they ended.

Rock, the security boxes seem like an interesting idea. I'd certainly be more inclined to use one of those than surround my entire property with "no entry" lines.
You're contradicting yourself here. A security orb is no different than an invisible barrier, the only clue you have that one's nearby is a sudden pop-up, and in most cases they're misconfigured and will spam in a 96m radius, whether you're on the property it's supposed to be protecting or not, so you don't have the slighest clue of where to turn and before you know it you're thrown a few sims the other direction. Ban-lines don't even come close to the amount of grief an misconfigured orb causes.

Then imagine the situation where your neighbour placed one that works in no-push, not realizing the grief it'll cause, then misconfigures it so it targets you on your own land. Walk around your own land, and oops, there you go flying off.

It also wouldn't solve the problem you're having with getting a better look at the underside of your house, because while you may be able to fly on their land for a few seconds, the orb will happily send you on your way after that.

And of course, ban-lines don't cause any sim lag, which can hardly be said for security orbs.
Atheist Ferraris
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03-29-2007 20:12
From: Kitty Barnett
You're contradicting yourself here.


I don't see how. I mentioned that ban lines around an entire parcel are annoying, because they stretch far up into the sky and prevent people from flying across the sim in a straight line. The security orb that Rock described above apparently only affects a limited region within your land (or a configurable region, anyway) and not the entire parcel. That means you can encase your house in the orb without it extending far above your roof. People would then be able to fly overhead as normal, while still being denied access to your buildings. Plus, the security orb wouldn't destroy anyone's view. Those red lines are all along the one side of my property that actually has a nice view, and I think that's inconsiderate.

Anyway, I respect peoples' rights to stop everyone from passing onto their land. I'm not going to say that ban lines are silly, and shouldn't be used. I just wondered if there was a way to stop them from being displayed. It looks like my best bet is just to ask my neighbour to allow me onto his property, but I don't know how willing he'll be to do so.
Dnali Anabuki
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03-29-2007 22:06
Hmm, if you set up the security orbs right, they only work on land you own. I just set mine to be in a tight sphere around my house and seems to work fine. Also, the warning can be up to 30 secs if necessary.

I really like mine as they allow people to fly freely but keep unwanted visitors out (I had a weird experience early in my SL career and realized I had to be proactive in maintaining a happy experience for myself in SL).
Strife Onizuka
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03-29-2007 23:00
There is a way, you need to find the no-entry setting, it's in the viewerart.xml file and change it to a texture that is full transparent.
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03-30-2007 01:08
Wouldn't it be cooler if it looked like gentle rainfall, or something subtle and sparkly.

As opposed to the endless red FOAD FOAD FOAD FOAD FOAD lines.


Ban lines suck.
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03-30-2007 03:01
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip

Am I understanding this correctly? If I put one person on my access list that puts up ban lines and gives everyone else the boot? That would explain a comment someone once made when visiting me and why she stayed on the neighbor's land...No wonder I don't have any friends!


From: Peggy Paperdoll
I'm not sure that is true at all. I have "ban lines" around my property and have given specific avatars access to my land. Just about a week ago a stranger wandered by who was not on my access list and asked about my house I was building at the time. I invited him in to come see.........and the only thing I did was temperarily remove my ban lines and he was able to enter my property.


The reason you needed to untick "allow access for avatars" is because adding a single person will give everyone else the boot. A neighbouring casino recently had their settings on "allow access to group" without realising it, which caused everyone not in the group to be denied access.
Perhaps the wording should be changed to "only allow access to group/avatars".

On the subject of security orbs, they are a hell of a lot more annoying than banlines. While searching for land, I might find a piece that seems a little overpriced, but in a sim I like. So, I like to fly around and check out the sim for other land for sale. If you have access restrictions on, I'll either fly over or around your land. As mentioned though, security orbs shout at you while you are above the height of banlines and you have no idea where the shout is coming from, and next thing you know you've been TPd home. If I wanted to go home, I would have used ctrl + shift + h. If you must use orbs, at least change them to an eject orb. At least that way we can pick ourselves up from wherever we land, and carry on as we were.
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03-30-2007 03:09
From: Ace Albion
Wouldn't it be cooler if it looked like gentle rainfall, or something subtle and sparkly.

As opposed to the endless red FOAD FOAD FOAD FOAD FOAD lines.


Ban lines suck.

Agree! I'd like to see something like these cool force fields from Independence Day. ;)
Kitty Barnett
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03-30-2007 05:29
From: Atheist Ferraris
I don't see how.
You dislike the idea of invisble ban lines because you wouldn't know which way to turn when you hit one, or how far they extend, but you do like the idea of an invisible area protected by an orb that'll send you flying off or tp you home with no idea of what it covers and which way is the safe way out.

From: someone
I mentioned that ban lines around an entire parcel are annoying, because they stretch far up into the sky and prevent people from flying across the sim in a straight line.
Access restriction extend 40m above ground level. If you can fly up to avoid a security orb, you can fly up to avoid access restriction.

From: someone
That means you can encase your house in the orb without it extending far above your roof. People would then be able to fly overhead as normal
Sensors work in a sphere around the object, most buildings are wider than they are high so it will extend well above your roof.
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03-30-2007 05:43
From: Ricky Yates
Agree! I'd like to see something like these cool force fields from Independence Day. ;)


This is a good idea, or even simply reduce the distance banlines are visible so you only see them if you're very close and therefore can trace their perimeter for navigating, but not spoiling your general view?
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