Grrrrrr.....neighbor

THAT is the spirit IMO. He's a griefer, but try to have fun with it. 80% of what a griefer does is what you allow him/her to do to you psychologically. You've been given plenty of advice that will make it difficult for the griefer to continue effectively.

If you ignore him or just shrug off what he does, they generally get bored since its the outrage of the person being griefed that turns them on I'm guessing. If you find yourself getting too annoyed, why not rent a little land somewhere and stay for a bit. Don't sell your land at a loss. My suspicion is that he will simply grief the person who comes to look at the land until you unknowingly sell to an anonymous associate of his at a reduced price.

DO NOT grief back. just ignore him as best you can.

now - have contests - for prizes - on what might come through the wall, and how long he'll go before he gets tires. someone is buying someone else something as a gift everytime a prediction comes true.

plus, they make liquor for just this sort of fun. sit back and learn his habits so you can be the one with the new $1500L skin! and i betcha your SL partner needs a new _______ (you fill in the blank).

First the support of DO NOT GRIEF BACK.

Now then....

Depending on the lay of the land and the items/buildings invovled, there are various means to protect yourself and your land, rendering griefers ineffectual while keeping an open and healthy environment for your friends and family.

The settings for land mentioned previously are very good ones and staples of SL land ownership.

In addition to ARing, I highly suggest submitting a Support Ticket. LL seems to be moving more and more to the website support and away from in-world. While a bit more of a bother (is not jsut on a clickable menu anymore) they (LL) do seem to be following up in a more timely fashion with quicker results.

If you and your partner decided to brave it out and wish to keep your land, feel free to IM me and I will be more than happy to pop over and offer any advice I can on how to secure your land and discuss options for reporting, as well as handling issues from your neighbor.

~Jessy

and i bet we ALL know someone who'd be willing to come party at your place and get real rowdy and obnoxious - on your behalf.

HEY! we said YOU don't grief back. we didn't say WE couldn't. LOL

how dangerous would be to send an AR claiming the guy told you he is underaged?

The fix is simple.

You're running a business.

When you run a business, and you have a problem, fixing the problem as fast as possible is the issue at hand.

Obviously, this guy griefs because basicly, he can. Unfortunately, it's difficult for LL to handle all the ARs they get, as they get about 2000 per day. Some are rediculous, and LL spending even just 5 minutes per AR is excedingly difficult for them to handle. I'm certain they wish they could get to peoples problems quicker, and handle them better than with the standard "problem resolved" form letter they mail out, but you have to face the fact that YOU must fix your problem.

This one is easy. Move. Set your land for sale at market value, or just below, and it will sell quicker. Pack your bags. Find a new spot, buy it, setup shop there.

I know alot of people are going to reply "I'm wouldn't let this guy chase me away... blah blah blah...", but I dont want to hear it. Since LL takes forever to lie to you about "resolving" the problem, this is the best solution. Cast aside your pride, cast aside the attitude you'd take in the real world, pack up, and move. The only thing staying will do is provide your neighbor with someone to grief. Personally, I'd feel bad offloading this chump onto someone else, but hey, there's no full disclosure laws in SL.

Before you buy:

1. Dont let price determine totally where you buy. Was this lot cheap? If so, guess why. Maybe the previous owner dealt this this idiot too, and just wanted out (quick), hence the cheap price.

2. When you're buying the new lot, hang out for a couple of hours in the sim, try to get a feel for how many people show up, are their clubs, casinos, etc...

3. What are the adjoining parcels like? I'm pretty lucky, my sim is generally empty, and when there's people there, there's like 4 or 5 max. I rarely see more, and this is all day and all night. On top of that, my imediate nieghbors are never there. This is hard to find, but hanging out will give you a chance to approach neighbors, strike up a chat, and get a feel for how they are. If their asses from the word go, best to move on and look elsewhere. If their nice, just chatting with them will teach you alot. "Oh yeah, ever night we have 20 people over for a party".... um.. move on... lol

Hope you see the light and move, otherwise the only light you're gonna see at the end of the tunnel is a train.

If you dont agree with me and decide to tough it out.. do everything the others suggest (turn off build, object entry, and push), and.. try moving your whole setup 400 to 600 meters up in the air. You can force teleport routing and customers will land wherever you set the landing point.

What's stopping him or his friends doing the same if it's successful?

Well, folks a lot happened last night so since you all were so supportive and helpful I thought I would post a follow up. We sold the land for a L$30k profit. In two weeks I think that is great. We bought another place we had been looking at, which is near a good friend. It is on a new class 5 mainland sim, so its still the wild west, but that is fine for us. Until we can buy our own island one day that is, of course.

Oh, and no the Lindens have not done anything. As we were trying to broker the deal and were waiting for the L$ to transfer and all neighbor dude did his best to make a pest of himself via special effects and ims. My partner tried to get a Linden to help at that moment because we were afraid the deal would not happen. We had some Lindens respond to im but they flat out refused to help us. So, there you have it.

Special thanks to so many of you for you thoughtful advice here, ims you sent and visits from new friends. While this guy certainly sucked the fun out of SL for a little bit the upside is the response of this community reminded me why I am here. gracias, y'all. lol

How dangerous?

You'd get banned for filing a false AR of such a nature. LL can look back at logs of chat and IM and see that no such admission took place.

BadbadbadbadBAD idea.

~Jessy

The Able viewer will allow you to visually "mute" a parcel. This means it turns off particle sources and noisy objects, and makes everything on the parcel transparent. You can even make muted objects invisible.

do not sell...thats what he wants you to do, instead see if you can enable no object entry, or contact the sim owner...but never give in to jackasses.

Group party! I'm in.

Welcome to the club. I'm also going thru' this same garbage with the owner of the gay mall near my home. But this clown is doing it because he wants to buy my land to add it to his mall on Devilfish Island.
I have my security eject anyone coming into my place and they know it, yet they continue to send more of them there. After being ejected then I'm spammed with messages telling me to take off my lands security. Imagine that? They trespass then they get upset when they're ejected and then bitch like pussies cause they were taken out.

Like they said here, fix it so they can't drop anything on your land as well as enter it. Ban them all as I've done. In a very short period I've aquired a very long ban list of this idiot and his little group of morons who had come into my land to harass me. Lately it's not as bad as before, probably because none of them can enter my land anymore but every now and then they still send someone over and my security drones just love new meat.

As far as reporting it to Linden, don't hold your breath waiting for something to be done.

Haven't had this problem so not sure, but I'm PRETTY sure you can mute the IM's too. I suspect if you leave any channel of communication open they will think you are just waiting for them to use it to push the right buttons on your neuroses to get you to sell.

Basic Har Fairweather rule of life in SL and RL: The best thing to do with assholes is get them out of your life as quickly and completely as possible.

You're in better shape than you think then.. set your land to 3x market value, IM the guy that you give up and your lot is set for sale, and let him buy you out and clean up.

To Maggie... Read posts before posting...

A. He sold already.

B. So what, that's what he wants you to do. Read my previous post for an explanation.

Oh really? And just exactly which Linden is going to respond to ban you for filing a false report? As far as I can see, they dont read the reports. They simple email you a form letter telling you the problem has been resloved (when it hasnt). Lindens not responding is a two way street.

I'm happy for you but sad for the rest of us. We are basically going about our business in SL with NO SUPPORT AT ALL. Please folks, please be careful with all decisions and purchases. We're on our own out there.

They must look at them sometimes, as both the ARs I have filed were dealt with within days.

They take the underage ARs pretty seriously, so if you file one it will most probably get looked at AND verified.

I think JUSTIFIED ARs build a rap sheet. Depending on the nature of the infractions, they seem to have the desired effect when there are enough of them - sooner or later. Just don't count on a quick resolution.

what stops them from doing the same thing? nothing, I've heard stories from friends about griefers filling false ARs just to grief people...

and can the be check if you claim you overheard a friend of him saying he is underaged? (dont' say he himself said it unles syou're sure he has logged with the voice client at the same time you was also logged with the voice client, the Ls might have a way to know who logger with which time of client and when they did it, saying it was "a friend" will make it plausible that you heard it but wasn't sure who said it or didn't manage to meomrize the name)


ps: if it isn't clear, all this discussion about using a system hole to grief a griefer is purelly hypothetical, I don't recopmend anyone doing stuff that would be against the rules

Rather, I wouldn't recommend anyone doing anything unethical. Because you don't have to, if you are not a griefer. LL appears to have records of conversations, "bumps," etc. which they can check if they need to. Do what is right, do what you must, file an AR if deserved, or go to support. And have clear conscience.