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Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 12:31

I received this watch notification today from JIRA:

Yoz Linden resolved WEB-1185.
-----------------------------

Resolution: Under Advisement

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The forums have been modified to enable SL login and other features, which means every upgrade requires patching work. Maintaining third-party software has been an ever-more-painful thorn in our side - the plan is to move these responsibilities to external vendors. Please watch out for an upcoming blog post on the topic.

> Official SL Forums - Update vBulletin Software
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Key: WEB-1185
> URL: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1185
> Project: 3. Second Life Website - WEB
> Issue Type: New Feature
> Components: forums.secondlife.com
> Environment: Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, etc
> Reporter: oryx tempel
> Priority: Major
>
> Rather than recreating the Forums using a new and different software, I suggest that Linden Lab cough up the $60 to upgrade/update vBulletin software to 3.8.3 from its current 3.0.5.

Intriguing n'est pas?

I wonder who the external vendor might be.

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Maureen Boccaccio

TWJKFA

Join date: 28 Feb 2008

Posts: 14,484

02-01-2010 12:35

verrrrrry interesting. And not surprising.

Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 12:41

If what Yoz says is true, it seems pretty obvious that the Blog/forum software is being acknowledged as inadequate to be a full forum replacement. That at least is good to hear.

I have learned not to be even cautious optimistic about LL's web efforts however, there is an outside chance the forums might end up in a better state than exists today.

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Milla Janick

Empress Of The Universe

Join date: 2 Jan 2008

Posts: 3,075

02-01-2010 12:44

Weren't we supposed to get a blog post about this from Wallace last week?

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Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 12:46

LL have never been on-time with expected blog postings as far as I can remember. I expect there is an announcement in the works - when it will arrive is anyone's guess I suppose.

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Maureen Boccaccio

TWJKFA

Join date: 28 Feb 2008

Posts: 14,484

02-01-2010 12:48

I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor.

Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that?

Ann Otoole

Registered User

Join date: 22 May 2007

Posts: 867

02-01-2010 12:51

From: Maureen Boccaccio

I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor.

Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that?

Yes let's send everything to 503-504-errors.com

Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 12:52

From: Maureen Boccaccio

I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor.

Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that?

That was my first thought too but I didn't say it for exactly the same reason - they are not exactly external even at this point.

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Maureen Boccaccio

TWJKFA

Join date: 28 Feb 2008

Posts: 14,484

02-01-2010 12:53

yeah, I've been getting a lot of those.

Tex Nasworthy

Udder Disgrace

Join date: 2 Sep 2006

Posts: 1,330

02-01-2010 13:01

From: Gabriele Graves

That was my first thought too but I didn't say it for exactly the same reason - they are not exactly external even at this point.

I'm assuming that AU is still operating as a individual entity, even though they are now owned by LL. So in that sense calling them an external vendor might still make sense.

I think this is another case of "what they said" is black and white, "what they meant" is anyone's guess.

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Qie Niangao

Coin-operated

Join date: 24 May 2006

Posts: 7,138

02-01-2010 13:03

A couple more forums-related jiras with activity today:

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1448, "Highlight posts by Linden Lab employees and forum moderators" filed by Yoz today, with Yoz assigned, for both forums.secondlife.com and blogs.secondlife.com. Description: "Forum and comment threads currently highlight posts made by the creator of the thread. It'd be really useful if comments by Lindens and by forum moderators could also be highlighted." Yoz's Comment: "This is currently being implemented for the next major release."

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1329, "Login in to forums results in 404", Yoz resolved today with comment: "Resolving Won't Finish, as we'll be moving to OpenID for sl.com and forums login, which will solve this problem. "

Brenda Connolly

Un United Avatar

Join date: 10 Jan 2007

Posts: 25,000

02-01-2010 13:04

From: Maureen Boccaccio

I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor.

Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that?

By Linden Logic(tm) it may very well be. AU is in another country and has their own staff I presume, so they could be considered external.

Once again however, LL makes reference to an announcement regarding these forum.....in a place other than these forums. What gives, it's like a child being talked about while it is still in the room. Will they not even have the courtesy to come in here on last time to serve the eviction papers? Are they that classless?*

*Rhetorical.

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Lias Leandros

mainlander

Join date: 20 Jul 2005

Posts: 3,458

02-01-2010 13:08

I think AU people will become responsible for the event calendar and the forum. I think the event calendar accessible in Second Life will dissappear soon.

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Mickey Vandeverre

See you Inworld

Join date: 7 Dec 2006

Posts: 2,542

02-01-2010 13:10

From: Brenda Connolly

By Linden Logic(tm) it may very well be. AU is in another country and has their own staff I presume, so they could be considered external.

Once again however, LL makes reference to an announcement regarding these forum.....in a place other than these forums. What gives, it's like a child being talked about while it is still in the room. Will they not even have the courtesy to come in here on last time to serve the eviction papers? Are they that classless?*

*Rhetorical.

Ah, but they're here, Brenda....reading your concerns....do not fear.

Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 13:10

From: Tex Nasworthy

I'm assuming that AU is still operating as a individual entity, even though they are now owned by LL. So in that sense calling them an external vendor might still make sense.

I think this is another case of "what they said" is black and white, "what they meant" is anyone's guess.

Agreed this seems a reasonable assumption.

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Ciaran Laval

Mostly Harmless

Join date: 11 Mar 2007

Posts: 7,951

02-01-2010 13:11

We're going to the blogrum, there will be third party moderators, Blue and Lexie will keep an eye on them.

Brenda Connolly

Un United Avatar

Join date: 10 Jan 2007

Posts: 25,000

02-01-2010 13:23

From: Mickey Vandeverre

Ah, but they're here, Brenda....reading your concerns....do not fear.

Then I demand they step from the shadows and face the Inquisition! *shakes fist!*

Don't make me get out the Comfy Chair

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Phil Deakins

Prim Savers = low prims

Join date: 17 Jan 2007

Posts: 9,537

02-01-2010 13:25

From: Gabriele Graves

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The forums have been modified to enable SL login and other features, which means every upgrade requires patching work.

That's true. When files have been modified to suit the needs of the particular forum, you can't just upgrade the whole forum. You have to go through any new files that replace the modified ones, and make the same modification to them. That's *if* the same modifications work with the replacement files. If they don't, then the modifications have to be worked out again. It's nowhere near as straight forward simply upgrading the software.

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Meade Paravane

Hedgehog

Join date: 21 Nov 2006

Posts: 4,845

02-01-2010 13:51

Given how often they update the forums software, I'm not sure I buy that "we have to do work on every update" is a very good excuse.

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Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 13:52

From: Brenda Connolly

Then I demand they step from the shadows and face the Inquisition! *shakes fist!*

Don't make me get out the Comfy Chair

A bit of mindless violence never hurt anybody

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Couldbe Yue

one unhappy customer

Join date: 30 Mar 2008

Posts: 1,532

02-01-2010 13:55

I think you lot are taking the closure announcement remarkably well.. When they announced xsl there was hysterics!

I'm sorry it's finally happened and I hope you all find good homes to hang out at.

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Angela Talamasca

VR Hacks

Join date: 20 Feb 2007

Posts: 58

02-01-2010 13:55

From: someone

Transition For The Forums
On Tuesday, February 9th we're transitioning our forums, from the vBulletin software we've been running for years to the integrated Clearspace software which can currently be found at http://blogs.secondlife.com. This transition will mean that new forum channels will be opened on Clearspace and the vBulletin forums will be closed and archived. We understand that the forum community might feel some angst during this transition, but hope that you will understand the necessity and advantages of such a move...please read on.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/02/01/upgrading-the-forums

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Humpty Carver

Registered User

Join date: 11 Apr 2008

Posts: 7

02-01-2010 13:56

All very modern!

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Gabriele Graves

Always and Forever, FULL

Join date: 23 Apr 2007

Posts: 6,205

02-01-2010 13:57

From: Angela Talamasca

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/02/01/upgrading-the-forums

Thanks for the info. *sighs* See I told you all I have come to learn not to expect much from LL's web projects

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Rocketman Raymaker

Registered User

Join date: 4 Feb 2007

Posts: 530

02-01-2010 14:00

Ewwwww, clearspace!!

Is their actually anyone on the internet that thinks clearspace is good forum software?

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Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 12:31 I received this watch notification today from JIRA: Yoz Linden resolved WEB-1185. ----------------------------- Resolution: Under Advisement Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The forums have been modified to enable SL login and other features, which means every upgrade requires patching work. Maintaining third-party software has been an ever-more-painful thorn in our side - the plan is to move these responsibilities to external vendors. Please watch out for an upcoming blog post on the topic. > Official SL Forums - Update vBulletin Software > ---------------------------------------------- > > Key: WEB-1185 > URL: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1185 > Project: 3. Second Life Website - WEB > Issue Type: New Feature > Components: forums.secondlife.com > Environment: Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, etc > Reporter: oryx tempel > Priority: Major > > Rather than recreating the Forums using a new and different software, I suggest that Linden Lab cough up the $60 to upgrade/update vBulletin software to 3.8.3 from its current 3.0.5. Intriguing n'est pas? I wonder who the external vendor might be. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Maureen Boccaccio TWJKFA Join date: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 14,484	02-01-2010 12:35 verrrrrry interesting. And not surprising.
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 12:41 If what Yoz says is true, it seems pretty obvious that the Blog/forum software is being acknowledged as inadequate to be a full forum replacement. That at least is good to hear. I have learned not to be even cautious optimistic about LL's web efforts however, there is an outside chance the forums might end up in a better state than exists today. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	02-01-2010 12:44 Weren't we supposed to get a blog post about this from Wallace last week? _____________________ http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 12:46 LL have never been on-time with expected blog postings as far as I can remember. I expect there is an announcement in the works - when it will arrive is anyone's guess I suppose. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Maureen Boccaccio TWJKFA Join date: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 14,484	02-01-2010 12:48 I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor. Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that?
Ann Otoole Registered User Join date: 22 May 2007 Posts: 867	02-01-2010 12:51 From: Maureen Boccaccio I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor. Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that? Yes let's send everything to 503-504-errors.com
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 12:52 From: Maureen Boccaccio I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor. Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that? That was my first thought too but I didn't say it for exactly the same reason - they are not exactly external even at this point. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Maureen Boccaccio TWJKFA Join date: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 14,484	02-01-2010 12:53 yeah, I've been getting a lot of those.
Tex Nasworthy Udder Disgrace Join date: 2 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,330	02-01-2010 13:01 From: Gabriele Graves That was my first thought too but I didn't say it for exactly the same reason - they are not exactly external even at this point. I'm assuming that AU is still operating as a individual entity, even though they are now owned by LL. So in that sense calling them an external vendor might still make sense. I think this is another case of "what they said" is black and white, "what they meant" is anyone's guess. _____________________ . Forums Users Love Lustfully
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	02-01-2010 13:03 A couple more forums-related jiras with activity today: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1448, "Highlight posts by Linden Lab employees and forum moderators" filed by Yoz today, with Yoz assigned, for both forums.secondlife.com and blogs.secondlife.com. Description: "Forum and comment threads currently highlight posts made by the creator of the thread. It'd be really useful if comments by Lindens and by forum moderators could also be highlighted." Yoz's Comment: "This is currently being implemented for the next major release." http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1329, "Login in to forums results in 404", Yoz resolved today with comment: "Resolving Won't Finish, as we'll be moving to OpenID for sl.com and forums login, which will solve this problem. "
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	02-01-2010 13:04 From: Maureen Boccaccio I'm wondering if Avatars United is going to be the alternative/external vendor. Although since AU is now part of SL...how external is that? By Linden Logic(tm) it may very well be. AU is in another country and has their own staff I presume, so they could be considered external. Once again however, LL makes reference to an announcement regarding these forum.....in a place other than these forums. What gives, it's like a child being talked about while it is still in the room. Will they not even have the courtesy to come in here on last time to serve the eviction papers? Are they that classless?* *Rhetorical. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Lias Leandros mainlander Join date: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3,458	02-01-2010 13:08 I think AU people will become responsible for the event calendar and the forum. I think the event calendar accessible in Second Life will dissappear soon. _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bear/214/199/107 Join in SL open enrollment CLUB JOBS to announce new DJ and Host Jobs for free. And on Avatar's United http://www.avatarsunited.com/groups/club-jobs
Mickey Vandeverre See you Inworld Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 2,542	02-01-2010 13:10 From: Brenda Connolly By Linden Logic(tm) it may very well be. AU is in another country and has their own staff I presume, so they could be considered external. Once again however, LL makes reference to an announcement regarding these forum.....in a place other than these forums. What gives, it's like a child being talked about while it is still in the room. Will they not even have the courtesy to come in here on last time to serve the eviction papers? Are they that classless?* *Rhetorical. Ah, but they're here, Brenda....reading your concerns....do not fear.
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 13:10 From: Tex Nasworthy I'm assuming that AU is still operating as a individual entity, even though they are now owned by LL. So in that sense calling them an external vendor might still make sense. I think this is another case of "what they said" is black and white, "what they meant" is anyone's guess. Agreed this seems a reasonable assumption. _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	02-01-2010 13:11 We're going to the blogrum, there will be third party moderators, Blue and Lexie will keep an eye on them.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	02-01-2010 13:23 From: Mickey Vandeverre Ah, but they're here, Brenda....reading your concerns....do not fear. Then I demand they step from the shadows and face the Inquisition! shakes fist! Don't make me get out the Comfy Chair _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	02-01-2010 13:25 From: Gabriele Graves Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The forums have been modified to enable SL login and other features, which means every upgrade requires patching work. That's true. When files have been modified to suit the needs of the particular forum, you can't just upgrade the whole forum. You have to go through any new files that replace the modified ones, and make the same modification to them. That's if the same modifications work with the replacement files. If they don't, then the modifications have to be worked out again. It's nowhere near as straight forward simply upgrading the software. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	02-01-2010 13:51 Given how often they update the forums software, I'm not sure I buy that "we have to do work on every update" is a very good excuse. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 13:52 From: Brenda Connolly Then I demand they step from the shadows and face the Inquisition! shakes fist! Don't make me get out the Comfy Chair A bit of mindless violence never hurt anybody _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Couldbe Yue one unhappy customer Join date: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,532	02-01-2010 13:55 I think you lot are taking the closure announcement remarkably well.. When they announced xsl there was hysterics! I'm sorry it's finally happened and I hope you all find good homes to hang out at. _____________________ Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups. Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55 XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
Angela Talamasca VR Hacks Join date: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 58	02-01-2010 13:55 From: someone Transition For The Forums On Tuesday, February 9th we're transitioning our forums, from the vBulletin software we've been running for years to the integrated Clearspace software which can currently be found at http://blogs.secondlife.com. This transition will mean that new forum channels will be opened on Clearspace and the vBulletin forums will be closed and archived. We understand that the forum community might feel some angst during this transition, but hope that you will understand the necessity and advantages of such a move...please read on. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/02/01/upgrading-the-forums _____________________ Blog: http://blog.vrhacks.net AUSL: http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/angela-talamasca AUBM: http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/angela-talamasca-blue-mars
Humpty Carver Registered User Join date: 11 Apr 2008 Posts: 7	02-01-2010 13:56 All very modern! _____________________ RLetc.com - Real Life et cetera - Real Life Adventures in Cyberspace. Forums - Blogs - Galleries http://www.rletc.com/forum/index.php
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	02-01-2010 13:57 From: Angela Talamasca https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/02/01/upgrading-the-forums Thanks for the info. sighs See I told you all I have come to learn not to expect much from LL's web projects _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Rocketman Raymaker Registered User Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 530	02-01-2010 14:00 Ewwwww, clearspace!! Is their actually anyone on the internet that thinks clearspace is good forum software? _____________________ "Proud member of the anti-ginko busy body committee"

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