We dont want to hear you here..*click*

This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help. I'll close this thread...

Another fine example of just how much the resident opinion in valued. Take it off our pretty pink sanitized forums..we don't want to hear you. (can see the lock and purge coming already)

*grins*
I already anticipated something like that happening.
I suppose the forums are already being scrutinized in regards to what can be considered "broadly offensive".

I've been in SL for a while, but am relatively new to the forums. I mainly came here to see if there was any further information that might actually clarify Daniel's "Broadly Offensive" blog post only to discover there seems to be no 'General Discussion' area. This seems to be confirmed by the moderator's post telling us to basically take it elsewhere, rather than pointing us to the appropriate section of the SL forum.

So, my resident question: Is there really no General Discussion area?

[edit - nitpicking about grammar]

Strife is a resident working hard doing a difficult, thankless job - not a Linden. How about we not add borderline personal attacks to the crap that already must be cleaned up around here.

That's a pretty disingenuous statement, considering how generous the moderators have actually been in allowing us to misuse RA for general discussion in recent weeks.

No personal attacks here, Anti.
I know Strife is only doing his or her job. I am referring to LL's new policy.
And what kinda crap are you referring to exactly?

I wonder what the reaction would be if we (the participants in these threads) all met in world and had an open forum just outside one of the Linden's in world offices?

Not that I am endorsing any type of citizen government. God forbid that travesty from ever happening.

SecondCitizen has a reputation as being rough and tumble (occasionally deserved). But we're unmoderated.

Okay, lets make this relevant then..
"This forum is for resident-to-resident help..."
I'm trying to get clarification from -someone- official, who is going to tell me EXACTLY what 'broadly offensive content' Means. Offensive to whom? And who makes that decision? If someone ARs me do I get a chance to defend myself against what may be totally inaccurate informationh? If no, then why not? How do you know its not someone that just hates 5'2" AVs that decided to AR me for wearing a collar?
there, now it should be left alone. Those are legitimate questions and they arent just going to go away because you want to ignore them.

You've also got Stratics to choose from - http://sl.stratics.com - we might be small at the moment, but you won't get threads locked just for criticising Linden Lab.

We also have a "general" forum, which does exactly what it says on the tin.

Broccoli

Seconded. I think overall The Mods do a tough job very well.

I guess they would probably ignore us.

A general discussion forum would be of more use anyway. I'm from Holland and i don't see myself traveling abroad for the sole purpose of discussing Second Life and Linden Labs.

I can't answer for others, but my post in no way intended to attack the moderators for doing their job -- they don't make the rules, merely enforce them. However, I am genuinely curious as to the Lindens' thinking on the lack of a proper general discussion area.



"It’s up to all of us to make sure Second Life remains a safe and welcoming haven of creativity and social vision."

I'm not trying to knock moderators, I know they are just doing their job and -I- certainly wouldnt want to have it. I just think that locking certain topics makes people even more disillussioned and furthers the perception that the higher ups just don't want to be bothered with the peons any more.

I'm not trying to knock the moderators either but some of the threads they have locked are genuine threads where residents want answers and locking them suggests a very heavy handed approach, as does telling us to go elsewhere. I'm a bit disappointed by the mods but I appreciate they have a difficult task.

Actually the way the threads have been locked is a perfect example of why Robin Linden's Police force suggestion is a very dangerous idea. Freedom of expression? Not bloody likely.

There was, Mordos, along with a Linden Answers Forum, and a Land Management Forum. All were shut down by Those On High. I don't think they liked to hear the revolting peasants, er, peasants revolting. I especially miss the Land Management forum.

OK, I may have jumped the gun there - it's just that the policy is in no sense new, so it was hard for me to see your thread as a criticism of the Lindens. This is, after all, the Resident Answers forum. It's never been a place for unbridled discussion of any old thing, even burning community issues. Threads that move too far afield have *always* been locked unless there is some significant value in leaving them open. The fact that we get away with as much as we do here is, I think, evidence of Strife's thoughtfulness in balancing the "letter of the law" with what is best for the community here.

Anyway, I apologize for misinterpreting your intent. Again, though, it's always been this way, so commenting on it now doesn't serve much purpose IMHO.

Would it be an idea to start something like a Project "General Discussion Forum"?

I think i'm a bit frustrated by the way second life seems to change very fast nowadays.
Our liberties are taken from us. Just like in real life the moral majority is once again deciding what is right and wrong, what is tolerable and what should be banned.
And closing a thread that is very relevant to this whole discussion ticked me off even though i know that there obviously isn't any room on the SL Forums for residents to voice their opinion.

Linden Lab wants their investors and the media to think every thing is just peachy keen in Second Life. Joke is on them, They can shut down the posts but they can't shut up the people.

I was surprised my post lasted as long as it did

Rox


June 23 2007 Sell Nothing Day In Second Life
http://forums.secondcitizen.com (nothing is censored)

no. they took that away from us last August. you can still find the old messages in the forum archives.

lol, before i saw your correction i was gonna say .. "peasants in revolt" is much kinder to us.

Actually having seen just how many threads the mods have locked, I have changed my mind. I no longer feel sympathy for the difficult task they do, they are simply stifling free expression, end of story.

If we're not allowed to express ourselves freely here then please make a sticky about it.

Lock this thread too, but at least leave a sticky that we can't possibly criticise the Lindens instead of copying and pasting the same rubbish and non-justifiable paragraph,

Kyros: I meant to quote the thread starter in my reply above, so please don't think I was singling you out in any way. I just thought the thread was a bit mean-spirited, but it seems I took it the wrong way.

I need to make sure I've had my coffee before posting here...

The sad thing is that Linden Lab refuse to take on more people to deal with the forums, which is why they're such a mess.

There's a whole list of 'third party forums' which are much less hassle to deal with, don't get threads arbitrarily locked for no obvious reason, and what's more importantly, won't get action taken against your in-world account should you fall foul of a moderator having a bad day here.

Broccoli