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Moving On - Thoughts From a Former SL Addict

Kokoro Fasching
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07-10-2007 06:24
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
I find the concept of a virtual world becoming more important than the real world really frightening for some reason. I guess mostly because it could dissapear with the flick of a switch. I guess that doesn't make me the poster girl for the metaverse but I still really enjoy it in smaller doses. Everything in moderation.
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But doesn't RL end the same way.. a flip of some cosmic switch?
Ingrid Ingersoll
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07-10-2007 06:27
From: Kokoro Fasching
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But doesn't RL end the same way.. a flip of some cosmic switch?


aka being run over by a bus. touché!
Porky Gorky
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07-10-2007 06:36
From: Brenda Connolly
I guess for you SL is more of a part time job than a pastime which is OK I guess. But your example is exactly why I have shunned any type of money making opprtunity so far. I don't want Sl to be work, I sometimes can't log on much for a couple of days, especially in the summer. I guess that's the best part of SL it can be different things to all of us. I hope that doesn't change.


SL started out as a very fun experience to me too and turned into work after the first 6 months. However all games have a limited shelf life for me, i play a game intensly, then move onto the next, never staying more that 5 or 6 months at the most. Even MMO games like WOW and EVE i'll sign up, build massive fortunes and then leave after 6 months through bordom or simply being drawn into the next amazing game. No game has ever kept my interest as long as sl has, pretty much all the people I met in the first year are gone and the only reason i stay is to build for cash. But at the end of the day I have a rl love in my life, i have friends but I dont have enough money so I am still drawn to SL. I can understand how poeple like the OP get drawn in for other reasons, i.e. if you dont have a rl partner or friends but do have plenty of money then you can be just as drawn in as I am for completely different reason. i think the beauty of SL is that it works for so many people on so many levels. You play WOW and everyone is pretty much there to remove the inards of Orks, you play EVE and everyone is there to build the best ship and Corp. But Sl is so different to everyting else, in that there are no predermined goals or chalenges (other than getting the bloody thing to log on) so people need to create their own goals and find their own attractions in the game. It takes allot of effort to get involved and I think that is why SL is so much more addictive that any other game i have ever played. You have to put allot into SL to get anything out and it requires a level of commitment beyond the average game.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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07-10-2007 06:40
From: Porky Gorky
What I need is a 3rd life to escape from my second and first life.


Speaking of which, you guys might like this clip a friend of mine made in SL:

http://www.blip.tv/file/255913
nemi McCoy
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Join date: 24 May 2004
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SL Addiction
07-10-2007 07:53
I read this thread with great interest and I can relate to alot of it. Jordan I think it took alot of courage to admit that you somehow made sl your priority. I have been in sl since 04, and have fought my own battles with addiction. Like many others, i live in small town america, but am not native to where I live so meeting people is very very hard. I at first was in sl all day and half the night, afraid to log out feeling i would miss something. I have been in love in sl a few times, partnered twice, had one of them just up and say hello one day and never return. As silly as some think it is, i was devasted, because i am real and i treat people i meet as real. It was a real loss, but somehow it got me awake to the fact anything, even rl is not without change.
I am probably using sl the least now, and I have to push myself to do that. I consider it a personal victory. I am disabled rl and sl somehow becasue my social network. However sitting in front of my pc and at one point thinking about not going on a vacation cause i might miss something, helped me to realize I had to participate more in my rl. I became a volunteer in an social services agency in rl... and every day i work on remembering while i enjoy sl, i have to also enjoy rl.
Amaranthim Talon
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Join date: 14 Nov 2006
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07-10-2007 08:47
"Hello, My name is Amaranthim Talon, and I am an SL addict..."

I can relate in some degree to so many of these tales - although I haven't completely abandoned RL - yet. Thanks for the sign post - knowing myself, I am sure I will actively ignore it - to mine own peril.
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Oryx Tempel
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07-10-2007 08:53
I got seriously burned out for a month or so and now that I've been out-world for so long (do Forums really count?) I'm feeling the bug to get back in. What's funny is that SL is a good way to relax after a day of RL work... I can shop, play, talk to friends without leaving the house and fighting traffic. :)
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Avanti Torok
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07-10-2007 09:16
Hello,

Yes, SL can be addicting, no doubt about it. Just so we're all on the same page, here's a definition of an addiction:

1. The activity brings you pleasure, usually somewhat intense.
2. The activity is bringing hardship or troubles to yourself or people who are close to you in RL.
3. You find it difficult or impossible to stop or lessen the amount of time you devote to the activity.

Anything can become an addiction--food, alcohol, shopping/spending, a former love interest, you name it. I love SL, but it was an addiction for me for a short period time, based on the above criteria. I was getting less exercise, going out less, and not getting enough sleep (stayed up late on SL) for example.

I rectified that situation, but still visit RL fairly often. It's biggest draw for me is that I meet real, wonderful people from around the world and all walks of life.

Avanti
Amaranthim Talon
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07-10-2007 11:02
Well based on the definition, I'll have to throw my hat in the ring after all...

lol - I try to visit RL from time to time too.

From: Avanti Torok
I rectified that situation, but still visit RL fairly often.
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Czari Zenovka
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Join date: 3 May 2007
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Online Addiction and SL Technology
07-11-2007 10:41
If ya ask me, the more advanced technology like SL gets...the more addiction folks are gonna have ta handle.

~From Xio Jester's post

Interesting point, Xio. I have been involved in online venues since the 80's - primarily IRC chat and then EverQuest and have seen the same addiction in both.

I don't know that SL is more, less, or equally addictive as other online activities...BUT...I *do* think the visual aspect (being able to actually dance, go hang-gliding, sail a boat, scuba, and the ever present sex with pretty life-like *bits*) may be a key. Or not. *grins*

Just an observation.
Har Fairweather
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07-11-2007 10:57
I am happy to report I am no longer an addict! I got over it!

Oh, I was hooked good. It had its pleasant aspects, sometimes very intensely pleasuraqble. I admit it. But the drawbacks just became too much to endure. First of all, it was so time-consuming! Hour after hour, immersed, almost totally distracted from what was really important. And second, it was actually interfering with what was really important! Finally, I realized I had to act.

What worked for me was gradually cutting down on the time wasted on it. And one by one, Just Saying No to the demands it made on me. First the weaker ones, then gradually, working my way up to confronting and defeating the stronger ones. Each little victory was like a shot of adrenaline for me, giving me the strength and the incentive to tackle another one. And finally I did it.

Oh, I still pay regular visits, don't get me wrong. But I have them down to an irreducible minimum now, and they are under control. I'm proud to say I've defeated that longstanding addiction to RL - outside of sleeping and a few regrettably necessary biological functions and unavoidable maintenance activities, I now spend virtually all the time virtually, in SL!

Just be inspired by my example and work at it, and you too can be like me: SL, and proud of it!
Alestomoria Allen
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07-11-2007 11:15
From: Har Fairweather
I am happy to report I am no longer an addict! I got over it!

Oh, I was hooked good. It had its pleasant aspects, sometimes very intensely pleasuraqble. I admit it. But the drawbacks just became too much to endure. First of all, it was so time-consuming! Hour after hour, immersed, almost totally distracted from what was really important. And second, it was actually interfering with what was really important! Finally, I realized I had to act.

What worked for me was gradually cutting down on the time wasted on it. And one by one, Just Saying No to the demands it made on me. First the weaker ones, then gradually, working my way up to confronting and defeating the stronger ones. Each little victory was like a shot of adrenaline for me, giving me the strength and the incentive to tackle another one. And finally I did it.

Oh, I still pay regular visits, don't get me wrong. But I have them down to an irreducible minimum now, and they are under control. I'm proud to say I've defeated that longstanding addiction to RL - outside of sleeping and a few regrettably necessary biological functions and unavoidable maintenance activities, I now spend virtually all the time virtually, in SL!

Just be inspired by my example and work at it, and you too can be like me: SL, and proud of it!



Well put, lol.
If only we all had the strength to shed our RL and take on our god given duties in SL. I am currently working on a device that will hook directly to the mind, allowing one to be in SL without even being awake. this would allow for someone in a coma, perhaps, to be alive in SL. in said situation, a coma would not be so bad i think!
Maggie McArdle
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07-11-2007 12:12
i applud You for posting that. not to many will admit to it, and in that i wish you peace, love and many many blessings in all Your endeavors.

i joined out of curiosity..after reading he ansche article in buisness week, and was very intrigued. i had no intentions or illusions, and have made my share of mistakes(oh boy have i), but in the year i have been here, i have met some wonderful people, many who i am proud to call my SL Family, and one awesomely paitient guy, who took the time to get to know me, the person behind the ava, rather than my sl bod(which i freely admit is barbified :p).

sometimes it takes something to distract you to put things in perspective rl. Good Luck and Godspeed to You OP! ***HUGS***
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Sae Luan
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07-11-2007 12:24
From: Jordan Barrett
Ok, I am fully aware that the nature of all forums will likely turn this post into an argument, but I wanted to write down some of my thoughts on SL from the perspective of a former addict. Please bear with me if I start to ramble.

I created my first SecondLife avitar in February of 2006. At that time, I was having some serious marital and personal issues in my real life and I found SL more than a tad alluring. I saw it as an opportunity to be the "ideal me"...everything from the way I looked, to how I behaved in social situations, to shopping, work, and "family". I quickly made friends and and began logging in on a regular basis.

Unexpectedly, I passed numerous SL milestones that I did not see coming. I have been in "SL love" three times during the past year and a half. Made hundreds of thousands of L as a DJ. Learned to build, bargain shop, help newbies and adopt family members. I have met some of the nicest, most interesting people and forged friendships that transferred to my Real Life.

My Second Life became paramount to me....when I was not logged in, I felt as if I were asleep almost...away from the world where I lived. At times, I spent up to 14 hours per day in-world. The people in my real life took a back burner, along with real world responsibilites and commitments. Do not get me wrong, I do not feel that this was in any way the fault of the game. The reasons are simple: I was so unhappy with my real life, that I took the opportunity to create a second life very seriously, and I was bound and determined to make it better than my first life.

The result was an undeniable neglect of myself and my family. The ramifications so severe that the consequences forced me out of Second Life if I was going to keep living. I had to start over in a sense...get a grip on my priorities and re-build the trust of confidence of my love ones. I am now divorced, a single mother trying to make ends meet. I no longer have the time to maintain much of a Second Life, though I admittedly miss the escape it provided. I am thankful for the friends I made, the lessons I learned and where I am today.

I'm not entirely sure why I am writing this. Perhaps as a warning to those who seek out their SecondLife in order to escape their real life. Perhaps as a confession to those who knew me back then. Regardless...I hope I don't get flamed too awfully bad from those defensive of their own motivations for being in-world. I am fully aware that MANY MANY people do not become as addicted as I was, and are able to maintain both lives without problems. To all, I wish only the best and I thank you for being part of my Second Life experience. It truly changed my life.


Regardless of why you wrote it, I am glad you did. I think this is quite common in SL actually. SL is like striking gold to us with no "real life" to speak of, but I know first hand how out of hand it can get.

I have no partaken in falling in SL love or adopting family, but my VERY best friends are all in SL. ALL my money I make comes from SL. SL is pretty important to me. However, as things like this can, it did get out of hand, but I guess not as seriously as yours.

When I first came into SL, not only had I just moved to a new state where I didn't know hardly ANYONE, I was VERY sick in RL. SO sick that I could not leave my house or sometimes get out of bed. SL was a ticket I felt to do my part in making some money for my husband and me, but I also saw it as a "life" compared to the nonexsistant one I was living in RL. From the moment I took my first clumsy steps in SL, I was in love. I won't go into the details of all that has happened over it, but my amount of gameplay did have serious consequences in my real life, with my real husband and I even lost great friends over it.

I did take a step back from SL. I thought about it really hard. I refuse to give up the friends I've made in SL and I also refuse to give up the business I have built here in SL, but I refuse to leave my real life in shambles over it too. I limit my times as much as I can...but I always work an 8 hour day in SL or on things for SL while my husband is at RL work. Leaving SL completely would probably really get to me. My business, customers, and friends in SL mean the world to me.
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Kim Anubis
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07-11-2007 12:33
Used to be, when I spent nearly every waking hour in SL, friends and family would talk about "that game" and pick on me for it. They've cut that out since I hired them.

If I had yielded to their pressure and said, "Oh no, I am a tragic Internet addict!" I would probably be sitting in a cubicle in an office somewhere in Silicon Valley right now, workin' for The Man and watching the clock and hating the crap out of it. Instead, I'm sitting around in my jammies in my home office, where I run a RL business creating SL content for The Man on my terms. Halfway across the US from Silicon Valley . . . with my man . . . who I met in SL.

Some people have a problem with excessive escapism in various forms . . . online games, television, reading, pr0n, or whatever. But there are people around here who are working to learn skills or to build businesses, and often they start out looking just the same as the "addicts." What's the difference? Whether or not you're better off. I sure am. And I actually spend a bit less time in SL these days, because now that my start-up is off the ground, I can take a little time off.

Dedicated, hard-working artists and scientists and musicians and authors and inventors and others are viewed as obsessed kooks, usually for years . . . until they make it, and then the press refers to them as "an overnight success." Just pointing this out, in support of the unrecognized SL geniuses out there who need a pat on the back. Maybe you aren't crazy. ;)
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Sae Luan
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07-11-2007 12:40
From: Kim Anubis
Used to be, when I spent nearly every waking hour in SL, friends and family would talk about "that game" and pick on me for it. They've cut that out since I hired them.

If I had yielded to their pressure and said, "Oh no, I am a tragic Internet addict!" I would probably be sitting in a cubicle in an office somewhere in Silicon Valley right now, workin' for The Man and watching the clock and hating the crap out of it. Instead, I'm sitting around in my jammies in my home office, where I run a RL business creating SL content for The Man on my terms. Halfway across the US from Silicon Valley . . . with my man . . . who I met in SL.

Some people have a problem with excessive escapism in various forms . . . online games, television, reading, pr0n, or whatever. But there are people around here who are working to learn skills or to build businesses, and often they start out looking just the same as the "addicts." What's the difference? Whether or not you're better off. I sure am. And I actually spend a bit less time in SL these days, because now that my start-up is off the ground, I can take a little time off.

Dedicated, hard-working artists and scientists and musicians and authors and inventors and others are viewed as obsessed kooks, usually for years . . . until they make it, and then the press refers to them as "an overnight success." Just pointing this out, in support of the unrecognized SL geniuses out there who need a pat on the back. Maybe you aren't crazy. ;)


My husband now looks at my SL "play" as my business, I am happy to report. When our internet service is having problems, he immediately gets on the phone telling them that this is affecting my RL work he he. Anyone in RL that works must go to work EVERYDAY no matter what or they lose their job/money. I know I won't lose my "job" if I don't come to "work," but I also don't feel that working 8 hours in SL would be any different than a game company hiring me to do the same clothing/accessory design for them in some big company where I can't even wear my PJs, my dreads, my peircings, or my tattoos.

Simply put, SL is my ideal type of work. If my friends in RL could understand SL better with the way I am now in SL, they would not only be happy for me, but proud of me as well. Guess you just have to deal with the judgements of those around you if you want to do what makes YOU happy.
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Amaranthim Talon
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07-11-2007 13:46
Sign me up for when I can upload RL into SL ;)

And thanks for the laugh to balance the heaviness.
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Brenda Archer
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07-12-2007 19:40
From: Kim Anubis

Dedicated, hard-working artists and scientists and musicians and authors and inventors and others are viewed as obsessed kooks, usually for years . . . until they make it, and then the press refers to them as "an overnight success." Just pointing this out, in support of the unrecognized SL geniuses out there who need a pat on the back. Maybe you aren't crazy. ;)


Well said and more food for thought in this wonderful thread.
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