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Day Oh

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08-01-2007 22:30

There is one, but it may be hard to notice. It consists of replicating plywood prims that are hard for the physics engine to separate. The result being, the simulation slows down alot. The prims have names like "Bullet", "spa", "SUCK MY COCK", "Mia Linden" and other residents' names.

With the estate tools, the objects can be located pretty easily with Top Scripts (will try Top Colliders next time). Users without land permissions can disable the objects by creating a trap made of thin boards stacked closely together (Like this: |||||||| except vertically stacked) large enough to contain them for a few moments until the "smackdown" code disables them... Or indeed, if Push is enabled, you can just knock them out of the sim.

I don't think the kids doing these things know the techniques, but eventually people will figure out that it's possible to rez things on land where object creation and object entry are disabled. Two defenses I consider infallible:

(1) A full parcel
(2) Ban/access lines (but don't do that)

Bradley Bracken

Goodbye, Farewell, Amen

Join date: 2 Apr 2007

Posts: 3,856

08-01-2007 22:35

From: Bree Giffen

If I were them I'd wait until the grid was relatively stable again or else no one will notice.

However, residents currently are extremely frustrated and agitated. I could see it viewed as being a good time to hit them when they're down.

entropy Nikolaidis

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08-02-2007 00:22

From: Day Oh

There is one, but it may be hard to notice. It consists of replicating plywood prims that are hard for the physics engine to separate. The result being, the simulation slows down alot. The prims have names like "Bullet", "spa", "SUCK MY COCK", "Mia Linden" and other residents' names.

With the estate tools, the objects can be located pretty easily with Top Scripts (will try Top Colliders next time). Users without land permissions can disable the objects by creating a trap made of thin boards stacked closely together (Like this: |||||||| except vertically stacked) large enough to contain them for a few moments until the "smackdown" code disables them... Or indeed, if Push is enabled, you can just knock them out of the sim.

I don't think the kids doing these things know the techniques, but eventually people will figure out that it's possible to rez things on land where object creation and object entry are disabled. Two defenses I consider infallible:

(1) A full parcel
(2) Ban/access lines (but don't do that)

ahhh, thanks -- found one of these on my land today, went thru all hell trying to get rid of it, you pointed me in the right direction (I just searched inventory until I found a freebie machine gun, pointed it at the annoying object, and shot it away outside the sim borders. I only hope this didn't just toss the object into someone elses front yard.

How do people get this crap on my land in the first place? I'm set as no build.

Cherry Czervik

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Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

08-02-2007 01:43

Advance warning or disinformation?

Grid down.

QED.

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Imogen Saltair

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08-02-2007 03:05

I received this message yesterday from a source i trust, not a panic spreader, or an idle rumour merchant. I passed the message to another group which covers a large group of sims where build is enabled. My warning was dismissed as mere rumour and panic spreading.

Now, i know that sometimes rumours are worse than the thing they report, but i do feel that i would rather pass the information than sit back and watch a grid attack cause a lot of problems for a place i care about. It would have given me no satisfaction to sit back afterwards and say "I knew about that, but i didn't bother to mention it". I had no idea at the time whether or not this was a panic rumour or a real warning of something valid.

What would you have done in my place? am I guilty of rumour spreading? or is it the duty of people who hear of such things to warn others?

imogen

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White Hyacinth

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08-02-2007 03:40

Objects can only be created until the parcel is full.
The number of allowed objects is related to the number of prims the server can handle.
So this can not bring down the server.

If you find garbage on your land, return it to the owner.
Problem solved?

Destiny Niles

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08-02-2007 07:55

Sorry, I was sleep. Did doomsday happen?

Marianne McCann

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08-02-2007 08:03

From: Jezebella Desmoulins

Wait, what? Sorry... I lost track of how many TOS and forum rules this post violates.

I was thinking the same thing...

Mari

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Colette Meiji

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08-02-2007 08:09

From: Destiny Niles

Sorry, I was sleep. Did doomsday happen?

Yep -

whats left of your Avatar's pixels will be identified with prim dental records.

Raudf Fox

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Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 5,119

08-02-2007 09:07

From: White Hyacinth

Objects can only be created until the parcel is full.
The number of allowed objects is related to the number of prims the server can handle.
So this can not bring down the server.

If you find garbage on your land, return it to the owner.
Problem solved?

Auto-return is my best friend! And it's entertaining to watch things return to their owner as rapidly/rabidly as they are created!

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Qie Niangao

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08-02-2007 09:16

From: White Hyacinth

Objects can only be created until the parcel is full.
The number of allowed objects is related to the number of prims the server can handle.
So this can not bring down the server.

If you find garbage on your land, return it to the owner.
Problem solved?

But of course some prims are more equal than others. Even without an active script inside, enough physical prims rezzed close enough to each other could sure make Havoc work hard for a while. To really bring down a sim, though--not sure; I'd guess it would take some scripting in those prims to keep collisions happening a bit longer. (Or, of course, other mischief or exploits.)

I used to return stray prims on my land but now, if they're physical or ugly, I usually just delete them. I'm reasonably sure that the Owners of some of those aren't actually involved, but just victims themselves, so no point in cluttering their Lost&Found. And if it's a perpetrator, that temp alt is probably long gone anyway. Sometimes I'll AR if it looks like it might actually encourage someone along the enlightened path.

Atashi Yue

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08-02-2007 09:19

Apparently the old Mega Multi-Sim Checkerboard was in use again last night too.

Oryx Tempel

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08-02-2007 09:26

From: Johnny Rambler

Disinformation, misinformation and playing on the paranoia of people.

Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision?

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Destiny Niles

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08-02-2007 10:39

From: Colette Meiji

Yep -

whats left of your Avatar's pixels will be identified with prim dental records.

Oh well. Todays another day. Glad I can rise from my assess like a phoenix.

Brash Zenovka

Still Learning

Join date: 25 Jun 2007

Posts: 392

08-02-2007 10:48

From: Colette Meiji

Yep -

whats left of your Avatar's pixels will be identified with prim dental records.

You always make me laugh ^_^

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Strife Onizuka

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Posts: 5,887

08-02-2007 10:59

Action: Lock & LR
Reasons: Naming Names (Forum Guidelines

rivate Discussion & TOS

rivacy)
Source: AR

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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Early warning or disinformation? You decide.
Day Oh Registered User Join date: 3 Feb 2007 Posts: 1,257	08-01-2007 22:30 There is one, but it may be hard to notice. It consists of replicating plywood prims that are hard for the physics engine to separate. The result being, the simulation slows down alot. The prims have names like "Bullet", "spa", "SUCK MY COCK", "Mia Linden" and other residents' names. With the estate tools, the objects can be located pretty easily with Top Scripts (will try Top Colliders next time). Users without land permissions can disable the objects by creating a trap made of thin boards stacked closely together (Like this: \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| except vertically stacked) large enough to contain them for a few moments until the "smackdown" code disables them... Or indeed, if Push is enabled, you can just knock them out of the sim. I don't think the kids doing these things know the techniques, but eventually people will figure out that it's possible to rez things on land where object creation and object entry are disabled. Two defenses I consider infallible: (1) A full parcel (2) Ban/access lines (but don't do that)
Bradley Bracken Goodbye, Farewell, Amen Join date: 2 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,856	08-01-2007 22:35 From: Bree Giffen If I were them I'd wait until the grid was relatively stable again or else no one will notice. However, residents currently are extremely frustrated and agitated. I could see it viewed as being a good time to hit them when they're down.
entropy Nikolaidis Registered User Join date: 28 May 2007 Posts: 52	08-02-2007 00:22 From: Day Oh There is one, but it may be hard to notice. It consists of replicating plywood prims that are hard for the physics engine to separate. The result being, the simulation slows down alot. The prims have names like "Bullet", "spa", "SUCK MY COCK", "Mia Linden" and other residents' names. With the estate tools, the objects can be located pretty easily with Top Scripts (will try Top Colliders next time). Users without land permissions can disable the objects by creating a trap made of thin boards stacked closely together (Like this: \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| except vertically stacked) large enough to contain them for a few moments until the "smackdown" code disables them... Or indeed, if Push is enabled, you can just knock them out of the sim. I don't think the kids doing these things know the techniques, but eventually people will figure out that it's possible to rez things on land where object creation and object entry are disabled. Two defenses I consider infallible: (1) A full parcel (2) Ban/access lines (but don't do that) ahhh, thanks -- found one of these on my land today, went thru all hell trying to get rid of it, you pointed me in the right direction (I just searched inventory until I found a freebie machine gun, pointed it at the annoying object, and shot it away outside the sim borders. I only hope this didn't just toss the object into someone elses front yard. How do people get this crap on my land in the first place? I'm set as no build.
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	08-02-2007 01:43 Advance warning or disinformation? Grid down. QED. _____________________ To exchange power is sublime. To steal from another ... well, what goes around comes around.
Imogen Saltair Registered User Join date: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 682	08-02-2007 03:05 I received this message yesterday from a source i trust, not a panic spreader, or an idle rumour merchant. I passed the message to another group which covers a large group of sims where build is enabled. My warning was dismissed as mere rumour and panic spreading. Now, i know that sometimes rumours are worse than the thing they report, but i do feel that i would rather pass the information than sit back and watch a grid attack cause a lot of problems for a place i care about. It would have given me no satisfaction to sit back afterwards and say "I knew about that, but i didn't bother to mention it". I had no idea at the time whether or not this was a panic rumour or a real warning of something valid. What would you have done in my place? am I guilty of rumour spreading? or is it the duty of people who hear of such things to warn others? imogen _____________________
White Hyacinth Registered User Join date: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 353	08-02-2007 03:40 Objects can only be created until the parcel is full. The number of allowed objects is related to the number of prims the server can handle. So this can not bring down the server. If you find garbage on your land, return it to the owner. Problem solved?
Destiny Niles Registered User Join date: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 949	08-02-2007 07:55 Sorry, I was sleep. Did doomsday happen?
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	08-02-2007 08:03 From: Jezebella Desmoulins Wait, what? Sorry... I lost track of how many TOS and forum rules this post violates. I was thinking the same thing... Mari _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-02-2007 08:09 From: Destiny Niles Sorry, I was sleep. Did doomsday happen? Yep - whats left of your Avatar's pixels will be identified with prim dental records.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	08-02-2007 09:07 From: White Hyacinth Objects can only be created until the parcel is full. The number of allowed objects is related to the number of prims the server can handle. So this can not bring down the server. If you find garbage on your land, return it to the owner. Problem solved? Auto-return is my best friend! And it's entertaining to watch things return to their owner as rapidly/rabidly as they are created! _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	08-02-2007 09:16 From: White Hyacinth Objects can only be created until the parcel is full. The number of allowed objects is related to the number of prims the server can handle. So this can not bring down the server. If you find garbage on your land, return it to the owner. Problem solved? But of course some prims are more equal than others. Even without an active script inside, enough physical prims rezzed close enough to each other could sure make Havoc work hard for a while. To really bring down a sim, though--not sure; I'd guess it would take some scripting in those prims to keep collisions happening a bit longer. (Or, of course, other mischief or exploits.) I used to return stray prims on my land but now, if they're physical or ugly, I usually just delete them. I'm reasonably sure that the Owners of some of those aren't actually involved, but just victims themselves, so no point in cluttering their Lost&Found. And if it's a perpetrator, that temp alt is probably long gone anyway. Sometimes I'll AR if it looks like it might actually encourage someone along the enlightened path.
Atashi Yue Registered User Join date: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 703	08-02-2007 09:19 Apparently the old Mega Multi-Sim Checkerboard was in use again last night too.
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-02-2007 09:26 From: Johnny Rambler Disinformation, misinformation and playing on the paranoia of people. Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision? _____________________
Destiny Niles Registered User Join date: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 949	08-02-2007 10:39 From: Colette Meiji Yep - whats left of your Avatar's pixels will be identified with prim dental records. Oh well. Todays another day. Glad I can rise from my assess like a phoenix.
Brash Zenovka Still Learning Join date: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 392	08-02-2007 10:48 From: Colette Meiji Yep - whats left of your Avatar's pixels will be identified with prim dental records. You always make me laugh ^_^ _____________________
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	08-02-2007 10:59 Action: Lock & LR Reasons: Naming Names (Forum Guidelinesrivate Discussion & TOSrivacy) Source: AR _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey

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