Furs under attack by Greifers

We furs are constantly under attack by greifers. They attack because they hate to see us happy.

How can we prevent being attacked (No, I will not use a human av)

Is using Marshal law acceptable to protect land.

Admins are not always on and live help says "that information is classified" about everything.

Please respond
sincerely,
Teh Cheeseboat

PS: I recently bought a new HUD that can take care of greifers, may I use it to protect fellow furs and friends?
Oh and you may want to fix the forums clock so accurate timestamps are applied

I have no idea what you were asking Live Help that they'd say information was classified.

There is no need (or support!) for "Martial Law" - on your own land, you have several unbeatable weapons (Landowner Freeze and Ban) to get rid of griefers directly. If not on your own land, you could contact the landowner, and also Report Abuse.

Every one gets griefed, not just you.


No way other than the usual ones.

I think you mean martial. If it is your land, you can of course do just about anything. If it is someone elses land, then you can do just about nothing.

The Lindens correctly try to stay out of disputes between residents. Of course, if the griefer is violating the TOS, then you can report them.

Griefers are mainly attracted to green dots. Most are not smart enough (or are too lazy) to use any other method. Masses of avatars attract them. Avoid huge groups, or have the Landowner present during gatherings to deal with the griefers legally (Land-Ban/TP-Home/Eject/etc)



No. Period. If you own the land, you can Land-Ban/TP-Home/Eject/etc. "shooting" can only be done legally if the land is Damage Enabled. Otherwise any "return fire" is itself a ToS violation.



No. See above answer.



Timestamps are set by each user of the forums. If you want to change it, set it to what you desire. I forget the menu line to do so, but is basically your preferences here. Otherwise you get the standard settings.

~Jessy

Griefing by definition is against the CS (Community Standards). What defines griefing is where things get fuzzy (no pun intended).

If you taking things into your own paws, be sure to be familiar with the CS and the TOS to make sure you do not end up breaking any rules (some griefers take delight in reporting people who break the rules). I recommend you read the CS a few times as the path you stand before is a perilous one.

Ok, Cheeseboat -- Now, part of me wonders if this whole thread is a trolling attempt.

I run the oldest "furry area" on SL - and we've been dealing with griefers for about 2.5 of the 3 years we've been operational. And the facts remain the same:

-They'll hit anywhere that stands out and is accessible.
-One of the main reasons furries seem to be 'singled out' is that they are (obviously) "readily identifiable".
-They're looking for a reaction more than they "hate to see us happy".
-The satisfaction is all in the response.

In other words, and I know this sounds a bit trite and oversaid: but the best course of action is to 'go through the process' and mute/ignore and don't engage.

There's nothing a griefer likes more than a highly emotional response to a taunt, or a dramatic diatribe directed their way. There's no quicker way to find your words posted on the web and ridiculed "post-griefing" than that.

There are plenty of managed areas where admins will take care of griefers. I suggest that *most everyone* stick to such areas, if they hope to not be bothered. Anyone in a sandbox seems to be fair game. Griefers go after furries, gays, goths, nerds, blingtards, short people, the handicapped, spaniards, vegetarians - whatever. The fact is that furries can simply be "identified from several hundred yards away", so they're an easy target.

The idea of "martial law" is kinda weird, which makes me wonder about the legitimacy of this thread in the first place. That, and LiveHelp is not the "last answer" on TOS/CS matters.

Abuse report, have someone administratively ban, but stay in the clear. Dont use an "anti griefer hud" to bounce/push people out of the sim. That'll get you in trouble. Find places that are maintained.

There's no reason to give up your avatar, but I technically "should" be able to hang out at midnight on any street in the city where I live -- though I know that there are some where I'd be asking for trouble if I was hanging out there alone.

Asshats are a reality of the internet, and it's not going to change any time soon.

I think it just left over evolutionary conditioning. For millions of years we have been killing animals for food, hunting is still overly popuar today even though very very few hunters actually hunt because their hungry.
Killing other humans for the most part is not as "natural"

If you walk around looking like a deer where ppl have guns ....then ...well you know

That was a great post, Michi. I wish everyone followed your advice. The same practices you describe also apply to message boards and their trolls.

Perhaps the furries need to recruit a few wild boars, bulls, crocodiles etc. These might present a tougher image than rabbits, foxes etc. - but then the boars, bulls and crocs might turn on the furries!

Most greifers are relative newbies. If you get caged, right click the cage and find the owner's name and post in chat that you've been caged by [name in capitals]. That seems to stop them.

My avatar is an attractive young woman but I have no fear of big guys with guns and orbiters and stuff, I just walk right up to them telling them I'm not scared!

I've done the same - which probably really throws them!

Usually though, I don't bother to reply. I just get their name (Mystitool is handy for many weapons, because it gives you an owners name of items that "collide" with you right in chat) and report them - and if it's on land I have tools for, I'd eject and ban. Easy-peasy.

Mari

Someone want to tell me what trolling is, because I did not intend to hurt the community.

The land is owned by all of the residents of furnation, the ones that care to make donations

Oh, and bash me all you want. It does not phase me ^_^

I love the antipush feature of the tool because it seems like that is the favorite weapon of the low level greifer, as I coexist in Neko form as much as my other skin I know some people like to single me out for some greif... Ignore works, in fact it drives them crazy as what they want most is a reaction. When I am feeling very evil I often add a Yawn.

My favorite answer to why do you look like that is.. Because I want to

Please read : this link.

In short : there is a group, dedicated to attacking furries, which has been especially active in the last week.

For more information, IM me.

Trolling is deliberately making controversial or Inflamatory remarks designed NOT to gain an answer or generate conversation, but to Start an Arguement, or series of arguements (Referred to as a Flame War).

Michi seems to Suspect an attempt at trolling because;

A: Michi's experiences in SL over two years show no rise in griefing activity specificly aimed at Furries

B: finds the Tools provided for dealing with grief incidents are more than adaquate to the task at hand.

C: the use of such terms as "Martial Law" seems particularly Unnecesary and Combative. (The response of "Classified Information" ascribed to the Live helper seems Dubious as well though NOT entirely Impossible).

(Michi, i Hope i have Interpreted your thoughts Correctly.)

Cheese, If you are fairly New to SL, or the SL Fur Community, your relative Inexperience can be an alternative explanation for the way you expressed your thoughts, and i Give you the Benefit of the doubt that this is indeed the case.

I come originally from another group that has seen it's share of griefing, (And some of it WAS Organized and targetted at us by specific persons) and i have to Agree completely with Michi's assessment of the grief situation as a whole. Boot/Ban/Ignore/AR. and If there are Multiple Witnesses to a griefing attempt, Have ALL of them AR at the same time, Multiples get Faster, and more posative responses, as they provide Multiple avenues for Investigation by the Lindens.
But Lowering yourself to the level of a Griefer by Counter Attacking Only serves to make YOU a Target for ARs that could get you Banned from the grid, and Griefers KNOW this. That is why they attempt to Insite Retaliation. EVEN if you choose to do so as an Organized community (My Interpretation of your use of the words "Matial Law" All that does is Turn your Community into a group of Potential griefers in the eyes of LL.
Stick to the TOS, and use the tools provided. Despite some complaints to the contrary, it Does work.

Angel.

As Angelique said, it just raised my eyebrow a bit because the phrasing was a bit odd. We've had plenty of people come onto the forums who were griefers themselves, looking to get a rise out of people -here- in the forums, so I wanted to be a bit cautious.

The advice is no different, though. Griefers aren't looking specifically for furries, so much as they're looking for an excuse to cause trouble. Furries get targeted a bit more than others for the reasons I explained above.

Has there been a -rise- in griefing particularly against furries? Not that I can see, no more proportional than the rise in griefing that comes with a rise in population. (The last week's specific events being a bit of an exception.)

It was actually a lot worse before things like no-push existed. But really, as has been said here: you have to stay within the system. Do not 'grief back'. Don't get emotional. Don't make a dramatic display. Just do whatever you can to 'opt out' of the situation.

Sometimes that's easier said than done. But in the long run, if they know they can't get a reaction out of you, they'll stop trying to get a reaction out of you.

I'm not a Furry, but i agree whole heartedly with Michi. I learned this lesson the hard way. When I first joined SL, I took a job at a club. We got our share of griefing. One night, when I finally reached my breaking point from being pushed across the sim, caged, etc., I finally fought back. Having a paying job had allowed me to buy much better weaponry than the griefers had and i squashed the whole pack of them like bugs.

Did it help? No. Where we only gotten griefed once a week, now we were getting griefed nightly. All because I fought back. I did not help matters, I made them worse by fighting back. To protect my friends, I left that job. The griefing stopped shortly after I left because it was no fun for them to attack people who did not fight back.

Take Michi's advice. Sit down and simply watch the griefer show. The griefers will get bored and leave. This is what i do now. There is no place in SL that you simply cannot come back to an hour later after the children (and that's what they are) have left.


Something else i've found that also seems to work nicely, i keep a few LM's for some sex places (actually, a church that i found that has auto-return on, so they can't grief it, and i've renamed the LM to give it some sex place name). Drop that on the griefer. 7 out of 10, will use the LM... also forgetting where they just were. Non-violent, gets rid of the griefer, sends them someplace that they can reflect on what they're doing... it's a win-win.

Furries arent under any more greifing than anyone else. Get over yourself.



There is also furries who go after humans.

Human Haters. And I've reported it several times.

It goes both ways.

There is also furries who go after humans.

Human Haters. And I've reported it several times.

It goes both ways.

That isn't the impression I got when I talked to a member of LL's abuse team on the phone a few days ago. They seemed to think that furs get more griefing because they're easier to identify. I agree with that, though I think groups dedicated to griefing furs are also a factor.



Interesting.... I have never seen this.
I have seen griefers deliberately wear furry avatars in order to get the presumption of innocence when they are on a griefing raid. I've seen that happen in the last few days!

I have seen griefers who look like they are inhabiting a specific group in order to tarnish its reputation.

I can't remember a single case where a genuine furry hates humans and goes out to attack them. Oh well... if you have seen it, you've done the right thing by reporting it. Griefers are griefers, regardless of their motives or appearance.

I doubt Angels First entry here, because Lindens, and thier Helpers are Not supposed to Discuss things like this with people who are Making complaints or seeking help, that Information would be Confidential, and if it came from anyone Lower down on the Command chain, i would take it with a Grain of salt, they would not possess sufficient Knowledge to make such an assessment.
Bankings comment on frequency and Commonality of griefing was Rudely Put, But i think, Accurate.

As for Angels second observation, I do spend time on Furry Sims, and i'm Quite comfortable there in my Human Avie. I have Never been treated with hostility, or even Discourtesy by a Furry. I acyually feel Very safe on the Furry Sims due to the general LACK of Griefing going on. I Have been on Other sims while people in various disguises, Including Furry Avs have caused Mayhem, but Invariably, they turn out to either be Alts with No group ties, or people tied to various self avowed grief groups with NO Furry ties at all.

Those are My experiences so far.

Angel.

Personally, I doubt the information that furs tend to get griefed a lot because they are easy to spot is confidential. I can imagine that specific details about who was griefed and when, where, etc would be. I can imagine that invisible groups that get griefed would be confidential. But when I call up and say "look, all these furry places are being targetted by this specific griefer group...." I think it is quite reasonable for the Linden to say that furs tend to get a lot of griefing due to being easy to spot.

The person who made the comment wasn't (AFAIK) a manager, but I would assume that the abuse team are quite aware of what abuse goes on. So feel free to take it with a grain of salt... but I don't think you should immediately assume obvious things like that are classified. I already knew it anyway because I have experience of it being true... so it isn't a secret.

It is also reassuring to know that you got no hassle when you visited furry sims Unfortunately some of the popular furry sims do get hassled quite regularly. Ask the admins of FurNation or The Valleys to find out It might not always be obvious that they do, as by en large it is dealt with quickly, but trust me - it does happen. I know it happens because I own several sims that have mostly furries as residents.

quoted for emphasis being a furry or whatever does not make you anymore griefed then say uh me.

I go to a crowded area I get pushed shoved sent strange items messed around with. I tend to avoid sandboxes because I hate being tossed into space ... Im not a furry Im just an avatar its not particularly selective they see someone they grief. Report it and if the land owner is not online send them a message so they will ban the griefers when they log on.

Over the years these personality types have been the MOST visible and present in almost EVERY open on-line community and message board?

Unless they gotta "pay to play" (and sometimes even when they do) folks get stupid on the internet cause you can't smack 'em in the face...kids taunt the adults and cuss 'em out, racists start callin' people niggers, home schooled farm kids who played Grand Theft Auto run around claiming to be real life "gangstas" and they start "fights" for no reason, etc...

Relax

The above is some VERY good advice

Just Abuse Report (and make sure to "Include Screenshot" if you were able to get one), say "A.R."to repeat attackers if they come back, and are slow moving enough. Once they see that you are standing in one spot saying "A.R." they figure you got a screenshot of them griefing & they are about to get temp-banned, so half the time they run away (from MY experience), but it's TOO LATE for them! *tsk tsk tsk* hahahahahahaaa

Again, if a griefer uses an object on you like a cage, right-click it and find the owner, post a message about them in chat including their name in capitals and IM them saying you've taklen a snapshot.

Unfortunately, I've run into a couple of Griefing Furries already. I just ignore them. Although I don't condone any of that non sesnse, the Wiki was a funny read at times, in that South Park Humor way. But it is ridiculous.