Getting land now First Land has gone.

Okay I agree with Fluf on this . Dont get so carried away with land prices and crap that you all forget the reason land is there, to help us Enjoy second life. That is the reason. Allowing the price to go out of control or taking away the ability to buy 512 ( and that is false advertising if its true because you are lead to believe you can acheive what they promise and promote as the sl experience) is not good for this game. No good can come of allowing land prices to go out of control at some point it just wont be fun anymore ...many wil simply lose interest and drop out of a premium account we have enough expenses in real life .That is reality its a game folks . Its supposed to be fun.

Elinah

You made how much? Would you mind sharing with me how ?You can im me if you want. I would love to have an sl business. I play it enough...

Elinah

This is such a downer, reality is its a game if you want it to be, its a job if you want it to be. Im just not going to settle thinking of SL as a game, I imagine the real life corporations are in SL cause its not a game either.
First of all games dont have real world money conversion. A game dont grant intelectual rights to your creations. Depending on what country you live in.. your goverment dont tax you for earnings in a game. If you want to play a game, go play a MMO like Dungeons & Dragons, or Sims or Starwars Galaxies, or WoW. those are games, meant for enjoyment with no currency profits, no major investments, no pride in ownership, no visionaries, no leaders, no creation. come on someone stand up with me and proclaim SL isnt a game!

your gonna hate my "answer" to that stand up thing

If it was just a business the likelyhood is that a lot of people would not earn any money at all. So for me its a game in which you can earn money if you so choose. A lot of people come to SL and dont earn a dime or have any intention of doing so they just spend money in SL where are their jobs? where is their income? they have none they choose to go buy dresses and hats and coats and hair for fun. Its simulated life but people the majority anyhow play at it. This "game/platform" lets you be and do anything that you want. Yes you can use it ifyou like just for business applications but dont be fooled into thinking that is all it is beacuse if you are then your going to find yourself looking at a virtual worlds setting which is very very baren beacuse its just for business. YOu can't split the two and the minute you try you will get a big surprise. Many many people make things and possibly sell it just for sheer enjoyment and dont be fooled its not necessary to "earn money" in sl to have fun in SL you can in fact have a lot of fun in sl without spending a real world cent or buying any items other then just your monthly premium subscription. Those people looking to just buy 512 or so of land are in fact treating this as a game and that is the majority of users I would think. People dont run around in avatars of bender for business purposes hehe

business may be part of it but its part of it but it certainly isn't all of it.


Virtual worlds is a business
Second life can be a business but it mostly a game

Try putting 512 in the 'All' search tab, comes up with loads.

As a real, real newbie, I see how fustrating it is to find land (512m) I wasn't even aware that many of the lots that were listed under "LAND FOR SALE" would charge rent as well!!!!

Sound like LAND FOR SALE should be listed just as that! And rentals should be listed under rentals! I could NOT imagine buying land in the real world and then having to pay rent for it!!

So, maybe someday (hoping) they will clean up the search. So when you want to find land for sale or rent, they will be clearly seperated!

I have issues with the search, There is LOTS of things in the land for sale that should not be there!
It would be nice if they did a building AND land for sale or rent option too..........LOL......dreaming, I Know!!
Aislinn

Land that is for rent can be filtered from the "land for sale" section.

1. Click the "Search" button.
2. Ignore the "All," "Classified," etc. tabs...go to the fifth tab from the left of the search window, the one labeled "Land Sales." Click that.
3. Click the down arrow on the top drop-down box, and select "For Sale - Mainland."

Now hit the "Search" button in the search window. Nothing you see listed will have rent other than tier due directly to LL.

(If instead of selecting "For Sale - Mainland" you select "For Sale - Estate," you will have to pay "tier" or "rent" to the party that owns the Estate--in US$ or L$--but the land will still be in your name and you may, depending on covenant, be able to resell it and keep all the proceeds.)

You can find the land that would be included in your premium & tier payments by searching for mainland only.

In the sense that there is a monthly charge, that's true for all land in SL.

Singing "cHeX........Your Awesoommeee"
Thank you so much for explaining, this is going to save me a bunch of time IF I decide to go premium and commit and buy....and I to don't want to pay rent!!!!
Aislinn

Well said Wilhelm, SL is a game if you want it to be, and SL is a business if you want it to be. I have never said SL is strictly a business, just spoke out agianst those who complain they dont want to pay a market price for something because its a game

Well actually here is the truth ... SL is real in the sense that you can create your own reality and make it your own through your imagination, and it becomes special to you and you can sell things and earn money .And hopefully the friends you meet are real offering friendships that are truly special however, the reason its a fun game for me is because while it is like real life in some ways its cheaper and more unusual and more fantasy. Its fun to be able to have $1 = approximately 300 lindens because its fun to be able to afford all the things you cant in real life and explore places that dont exist in real life... if you take that fun away what is the point anymore? How is it still fun to pay high prices for everything just like in real life ? Snob appeal? That is a hard sell for most peoeple .... Keep costs down and the game stays fun and more people will play,but if prices rise too high and it becomes a major financial obligation to be allowed to play many will lose interest because it just wont be any fun...

Oh by the way I have 512 of land I was thinking of selling but havent decided yet I want to see what else is out there first ...

Elinah

Okay, one last bite at this apple then maybe I move on.
SL may or may not be a game depending on the eye of the beholder.
But it does have a kind of economy and land costs money.

It's my perception that land is currently overpriced in SL. I may be wrong in that, but I'm simply stating that the current cost of 512msq of land is more than I am willing to bear.

That doesn't mean I'm moaning because it costs money.

It means my own reasoned valuation of a small piece of virtual land with relatively limited prim counts is less than the current market value.

I am in a sense the market. I'm the potential buyer. If enough people thought the same way I did, then the market would have to lower prices just to sell some land.

The other side to my original point is that from the official "First Land is Gone" blog post I got the impression that 512msq parcels would be auctioned instead of sold as first land. That I could understand. But AFAIK the auctions are not listing 512m parcels. This means we as buyers have no direct way to influence the market value of 512m parcels. We have to buy from estate holders who are willing to shell out big money for big land, and who naturally want as much return as possible.

Put simply. It's the age old society problem. The rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor. Some of you probably think that's fine. I'm just not one of those people.

The only half baked way round it I can think of is co-operative purchasing. If enough people clubbed together for 512m parcels, a large enough region could be bought at auction for a fair price for all involved and then split to all the purchasers. But that is a huge amount of trust, the first months tier would need to be paid, and it's relatively difficult to organise in SL.

If any HONEST souls want to chat about the potential for a co-operative NO PROFIT purchasing plan, then feel free to IM me in SL. I'm not at all sure how the nuts and bolts would work, but I'd certainly put some time in to it with the right people.

Shrugs... probably a dumb idea... but SL does need some community spirit...

I have thought of this before but everyone is quite umm "independant" at time also in order for this to work basically it would mean one guy has to take all the money and say buy a mainland sim or whatever and then figure out what he paid per square meter and then somehow divy it out to everyone and sell say for 1 L or whatever to each person. Problem is if there is a road or something ni the sim or protected land everyone is going to want to be there and so then you need to protect a sim with no features but then no one is gonna want to be in the center and want the sides so I'm not sure how it would work a very solid plan would have to be set up and people would likely have to agree to take a certain portion of undesirable land and keep or sell at their wishes.

the other option is to make your own roads an people agree to own a piece of that problem is if you make a really cool sim like that over time it will get sold and the road would get taken up.. so enter estate parcels where the estate owner controls things like the roads he builds but then you are stuck collecting rent

I'm sure it can be done but it can be very tricky I would be interested but I want a particular kind of land and see there already I am throwing a wrench into the works hehe

but if a bunch of new players got together and each owned 1024 (not 512 to manypeople per sim actually ) it might work they could if they wished sell 512 to another new player who will over time want more land.

anyhow its that time of day again go check the prices of the auctioned off land

Not that easy...
Having had an interesting chat in SL about the land pricing problem, there is a basic problem.
Even a 65536msq plot is going for around 12L$ per msq. [Can we call this 12L/m?]. So there's little or no point in forming a co-operative.

The only viable way out of the current situation seems to be mass action. Somehow. Someone needs to co-ordinate a mass "we ain't buying it".

Trouble is. People are desperate enough that they will pay 14L/m for land. I have a feeling things will settle down over time, but there is a basic problem with the SL economy.

Land (or small parcels of land) is sold at a fixed sellers price. So there is no open market. The buyer is forced to consider prices in the comfort zone of the collected sellers. If small parcels were auctioned it would undercut the fixed price market. There would be no money in small parcels for investors, so the market would shift.

However, neither the moderate or large land owners or even the Linden's have an interest in land prices falling to realistic (lol for a VR) level. The only way the majority of small parcel investors can make a difference is mass action. [Ok, so the top of the tree (Linden's) of the world are probably more interested in volume rather than value].

I'll say it again because it's taken a good dig through history and land policy to get here...

The only way small parcel investors can make a difference is mass action. "MASS ACTION".

Fix a price in your mind that you think is reasonable for small parcels of virtual land, and... Don't buy the land till it gets to that level.

And remember. If you went premium after October 2006, you thought 512L$ was a fair price for 512m2 of land, but you never got it. So allowing for the lack of first land you might consider 1024 or 2048 L$ a fair price for your premium slice. Maybe, even at a stretch... 4096L$ a hike of 8 times against what you thought you'd get. Why pay more? You never expected you'd have to! So DON'T DO IT.

Hmmm wonders how to spread the word on this one...

The land co op idea is nice but its done already isnt it? When people buy land as a group isnt it a co op? Anway start a group and see who joins begin to do it !

Elinah