Getting land now First Land has gone.
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Fluf Fredriksson
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02-22-2007 13:12
Ok, so it's not long since the chance of getting First Land has vanished. I shrug and start scanning for land I can buy outright. I just want somwhere small cheap and without tier. So yes. The magic 512msq will be ideal.
Scan the auctions... Nope no 512msq parcels.
Ok, but there's no more first land right? So Linden must be auctioning loads more land I can get my hands on? There must be LOADS of auctions now...
As of now... Auctions for 65536msq parcels = 8 Auctions for > 4096msq parcels = 5 So that leaves... 10 Auctions for less than 4096msq. going at around L$13 per msq ish.
Just. 10. I thought this was supposed to be a HUGE fantastic virtual world with vast amounts of previously marked First Land plots being auctioned direct by the Linden's??? Nope. Looks like they are selling 65536msq chunks direct to developers. Thanks for nothing.
I don't want to fork out L$14,000 for a parcel I'll pay tier on and then need to split. I don't want to have each of the parcels I sell go to massive Real Estate developers who'll sell it on as rental blocks for my next door neighbours.
I just want 512msq of tier free land. That's why I went premium. And it looks like ditching first land isn't going to help me get it at all.
Can anyone throw me a ray of hope? Something good to look forward to? Is anyone interested in selling a small parcel of land to a NON real estate pirate?
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Stephen Zenith
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02-22-2007 13:15
There are plenty of 512sqm plots for sale privately, just look in the Land for Sale listings.
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Colette Meiji
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02-22-2007 13:17
buy the 512 non-auction from a seller.
There are 512's for sale I noticed some just walking around today.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-22-2007 13:18
well i went to the sims that just finished auction and the starting prices for 512's is between 7.9 and 8.2k which i would not recommend buying watch the auctions they end the same day most days go to the sims just ending and wait for the people who bought the sims to carve them up the ones i went to were still grey hehe and still in the process of being carved up and the lowest prices are the ones I listed above this is not a good buy dont do it in desperation watch the finishingprices of the auctions and wait till you see a few reasonably auctioned off sims i was outl ooking for a small patch just to be able to use as a studio to build my stuff on in a skybox location was not something I was worried about those are the cheapest listings in the worste places to buy enough said 
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Atashi Toshihiko
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02-22-2007 13:27
Fluf, go inworld, use the search button, land for sale, and then enter 512m in the area box. You can specify if you're looking for mainland or island, mature or pg, and sale or auction.
Last night I looked and there were well over 400 plots for sale at the 512m size.
The auction page is only for land being auctioned off by Linden Labs, it is a tiny fraction of the available land for sale at any given time.
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ChatNoir Moonsoo
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02-22-2007 13:34
Fluf, contact me via IM. I don't list land I have for sale, because I don't want to be bothered by real estate sharks. Let me know what exactly you're looking for, maybe I can make you an offer.
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Fluf Fredriksson
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02-22-2007 14:04
Thanks for the replies, and yes I know how to use the Search function.
The vast majority of the land you find on a search though is via an Agent and requires rental even though I can have 512msq without tier. If I'm wrong. Please let me know. I'd love to be wrong about this one!
If you search for Mainland Only plots you get a more accurate picture, and it ain't pretty.
Colette - I'd love to know where you saw some 512 plots for sale. Did you check the details? As far as I can tell the vast majority (like 95%!) of apparently for sale 512 plots are from agents and they want rent! The other 5% have sold before I teleport there...
I ain't paying rent. That's why I went premium.
And the Auction page is where Linden said they'd be putting the land previously sold as First Land. I'd assumed that meant they'd auction 512msq plots and that would eventually give a fair market price. If the majority of land at auction is in huge plots then they havn't just removed the First Land option, they've removed any chance most people have of just buying the 512msq plot they thought they could without tier when they went premium.
I was cheesed First Land was withdrawn in the first place, finding they aren't even going to auction the same size parcels is just a huge slap in the face of anyone who went premium since about last October when all the First Land became almost imposible to buy.
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Bod Redgrave
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02-22-2007 14:12
Hi Fluf
I have several plots of land for sale in a flat green mainland area in a residential zone - I don't list it in the searches, because it costs L$30/week per plot ... that would be too expensive. They are land to be bought outright in small sizes up to and including 512m plots - and there is no rent to pay. You buy the land, no more to pay.
If you are still looking - IM me in SL anytime.
Good luck.
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Stephen Zenith
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02-22-2007 14:19
From: Bod Redgrave Hi Fluf
I have several plots of land for sale in a flat green mainland area in a residential zone - I don't list it in the searches, because it costs L$30/week per plot ... that would be too expensive. They are land to be bought outright in small sizes up to and including 512m plots - and there is no rent to pay. You buy the land, no more to pay.
If you are still looking - IM me in SL anytime.
Good luck. Advertising land for sale is free.
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Bod Redgrave
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02-22-2007 14:25
From: Stephen Zenith Advertising land for sale is free. Not according to Live Help, when I asked them about it last week ... anyways, the ad lists are full of cheap 512 plots with a rental on top --- my plots would appear expensive when compaerd and wouldn't be seen.
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Stephen Zenith
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02-22-2007 14:32
From: Bod Redgrave Not according to Live Help, when I asked them about it last week ... anyways, the ad lists are full of cheap 512 plots with a rental on top --- my plots would appear expensive when compaerd and wouldn't be seen. People now have the ability to just search for Mainland land for sale, so it isn't cluttered up with all the cheap-looking rental stuff. And trust me, it's free to mark land for sale - and it automatically appears in the for sale listings.
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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02-22-2007 14:34
Ok people, its like this, like it or not SL has evovled from a game to a virtual world complete with economy.
Stop whining about not being able to afford land, the laws of economics are NOT going to bend just cause you cant afford it. It doesn make a whole lot of sense to develope a virtual world with a viable economy and then flood the market with cheap underpriced land. Im so freaking happy the First land program is gone i can almost forgive the problems they are having with teleports and crashes.
Supply and demand, its a concept that says the less supply the more the cost as the demand goes up. Sometimes it seems that people are complaining without even understanding this simple concept. Honestly if you dont understand this concept of supply and demand, you should take my advice and dont think about buying land!
Now, we all know that SL is changing, we all know it was different before. and we all know that the rule change from time to time.land is worth what it is selling for, not a penny less and not a penny more. See this is a real estate concept called "Market Price" its closely related to the concept "Supply and Demand" when the two of these concepts meet, then we have a buying situation , or selling depending on what side your on. when the Buyer and the Seller agree to a price, then both concepts are proven, and a sale happens.
NO your not going to get a peice of land for 512L$ anymore, its not Market Price and nor should Linden Labs release land at below market price, that breaks the rules of both "Supply and Demand" and "Market Price". Its easy to understand if you just stop feeling sorry for yourself and realize, the rules have changed!
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Fluf Fredriksson
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02-22-2007 14:39
Trust me. If I'm wise enough to skip the cheap rentals, many others are as well. Again, thanks for the information here people. Am I missing an in game forum / arena where things like this get discussed?
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Cristalle Karami
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02-22-2007 14:44
You may know how to use search, but you didn't understand the land market. Obviously you have learned the nature of private island "ownership" - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if you want to use your 512 free tier, you are now beholden to the land holders and your search should be restricted to mainland only. And of course the picture isn't pretty - it hasn't been for months. And with land sales searching being broken, it's more likely than not that you'll find land that has already been bought by a reseller. There are hundreds of 512 plots for sale, but you may not like the price. That's reality, and has been for quite some time now, even when First Land was available.
You assumed wrong about the auction page - the auctions are for large plots. Even then, you wouldn't be guaranteed a good price. Auctions are, by their very nature, a reflection of the market - you have to hope that your bid is the most anyone else would pay for the plot. And sadly for you, there are people out there willing to pay more than you are to acquire land.
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Fluf Fredriksson
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02-22-2007 14:48
From: Jackson Rickenbacker Ok people, its like this, like it or not SL has evovled from a game to a virtual world complete with economy.
Stop whining about not being able to afford land I'm not whining about not being able to afford land. I paid real money for a premium account which gives me 512msq of land WITHOUT tier. That's what I paid real money for. I'm skipping whining about First Land vanishing. Ok. It's gone. Let's move on. But what's happening is a monopoly. A few rich investors are buying 10,000's of sq m of land and then renting it out for profit. The basic point is "I am not paying rent. I went premium in part to avoid rent / tier on 512 m sq." I don't have a problem with a virtual economy. I do have a problem with a virtual economy that removes the chance of a benefit I paid for with real money. Show me a 512 m sq parcel with no rent for 6000 $L? Go on. You can't? Well then it's a messed up economy. It's not worth the money. I ain't paying it. No one else with a brain should be either. Let the land barons rot.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-22-2007 15:37
fluff ignore the troll its flamebait they deserve to be ignored hehe he probably is one of the guys who bought one of those overpriced sims last night anyhow and now is trying to get rid of the land but there is one small consellation you can buy one of his overpriced 1024 chunks cut it in half and put the other half up for sale and have your 512 but it will still cost you way more then it should just wait a for the next few lots of auction sims to come up i bet anything the prices will be a bit lower 
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-22-2007 15:40
From: Bod Redgrave Not according to Live Help, when I asked them about it last week ... anyways, the ad lists are full of cheap 512 plots with a rental on top --- my plots would appear expensive when compaerd and wouldn't be seen. listing your parcel so peopel can find it is 30L / week sticking it up for sale is free indeed sounds like the live help person didn't understand also if you take the mainland only button on the search engine you get very few of those "rentals" because it doesn't work hehe you can just buy the land and the renter can do nothing its a huge risk if you are selling mainland just stick it up for sale it costs nothing
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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02-22-2007 16:59
From: Fluf Fredriksson I'm not whining about not being able to afford land.. Im Sorry Fluf, actually that "stop whining " wasn't directed at anyone, in hindsight i see how that be mistaken. I just see topic after topic of people complaining about land market, I was jst trying to give some a basic reason why the land market is correct even if they dont like it. As far as buying land for 6000 per 512, i got one the other day for 6200 and the market IS going to fall again next weeek, so this is everyones opportunity tro get it low
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Peggy Paperdoll
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02-22-2007 18:52
From: Jackson Rickenbacker As far as buying land for 6000 per 512, i got one the other day for 6200 and the market IS going to fall again next weeek, so this is everyones opportunity tro get it low Maybe you didn't hear the OP clearly. She sounds to me like she is saying she does not want to spend real life money.........or at least does not want to spend anymore real life money than necessary to play this game. 6000 lindens is something over $30 real life USD's. Maybe you can afford to spend that money to play this game (oops, sorry, I mean this "economy"  but not everyone can..........and some are like me who could afford it but simply would not because I consider this a game. A fantasy game, in fact. Please stop trying to tell us "uninformed" that Second Life is some kind of life that even resembles real life........those comparisons of real life real estate and SL real estate insult the intelligence of someone grounded in a real world. It' s a "virtual life". Check your dictionary on that. It isn't real so what is it? It's a game. You can gamble on the success of Linden Lab's Second Life if you want........but don't try to convince people like me and the OP that it's the way you must think. Sorry, I get pretty worked up over people telling my how I should think.
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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02-22-2007 19:03
Peggy, I doubt those people making Real Life money are calling it a game, sure maybe it is a game for you, maybe your "fantasy" is to be furry, and have hair orgies with other furries (no disrespect to furries) or to be Gorean and be someone elses slave, yes it is a fantasy world, and it is what you make it. AND on that same token, I make more of it than a game, and those looking to buy land are looking at it than more than just a game too.. Its all semantics, you call it a game I call it a economy, whatever you call it..its just SL and thats all, I was trying to explain why the prices are what they are and why its spose to be that way, so.. in conclusion Peggy Paperdoll what is a game to you, is not a game to everyone so watch what you say while your speaking for the general public as they might not be sharing your opinions
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Peggy Paperdoll
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02-22-2007 19:26
I own land........it's a virtual reality so that land is nothing but a fantasy. Show me your land.........let my real life feet walk on it. Show me a tree that casts a shadow that will shade and cool me on a hot summer day.
You are talking about making money in a game............that is valid. But no matter how you try to sell it Second Life is not an economy but you are selling something that is imaginary. I spend Lindens for fun.........like most in this game. I have no desire to try to make real money with imaginary money, land, clothes, houses or anything else. It's a gamble on your part......good luck. But please don't insult my intelligence trying to tell me and inform me that the 'economy' of Second Life's land prices are real.....it's not.
I'm willing to pay so much to play............no more. Obviously because you think it's an economy you are willing to pay more. I think your economy is just another imaginary part of the game. Just don't try to convince me.
Why do I have to watch what I say anyway? I stated facts as I see them. You disgree fine..............so I have to watch what I say? You afraid someone might read what I said and have second thoughts about your "economy"? Come on now.....you're making money on a game and most here are just trying to have fun on a game.
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Jack Sakigake
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02-22-2007 20:57
From: Peggy Paperdoll I own land........it's a virtual reality so that land is nothing but a fantasy. Show me your land.........let my real life feet walk on it. Show me a tree that casts a shadow that will shade and cool me on a hot summer day. . Peggy, the land is NOT a fantasy, I have been reading again and again that people keep saying that the land is virtual and doesn't exist. But your land DOES exist somewhere in Linden Lab. Each SIM runs on a real life computer, it means that a 65,536 sqm of SL land is actually a size of a computer, it could be on the floor or it could be on some server rack in some air condition room. And it does take up real life space. Until you can find a computer which doesn't take up any real life space, the SIM will require a REAL LIFE SPACE like a floor or some rack to be place on. And by the way this land does take up real life resource too such as electricity,and water!
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Peggy Paperdoll
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02-22-2007 21:01
Hahahahhaha.................I love it  Keep it up................it gets more bazaar by the moment. Geeze what a stretch.....................whooa whooo!!!
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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02-22-2007 22:37
Peggy, I guess your basis for interjection is purely that SL doesnt have a "real" economy. Never mind million dollars a day USD that is pumped into it. Nevermind the projected yearly total of 500 million USD for 2007. Never mind Lindex. I guess is just fantasy... you just keep neverminding and let the people with vision take the lead here.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-22-2007 22:41
It sure would be nice if we had a maximum size limit in the land sale dialog as well as minimum.
Then we could see only 512, or whatever range of sizes we want, and if we were only seeing 512s, on the mainland sales tab, we could sort them by price and efficiently see if there was one cheap enough to suit us.
I don't see one at the moment for 6000 lindens but there are a good many for 7500 or so.
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