Where are all the folks from the "Ageplay" threads?

LL has done this to themselves with their no verification 'system' and it pisses me off that I have been in SL for 2 1/2 yrs as a premium member who owns land and I will have to give some stranger my private information. It's not like I am applying for a loan and need to give all my info. We shouldn't have to 'pay' for LL's business mistakes. I will need to rethink me being a resident here.

I'm pretty sure i dont recall you wanting to ban agelplay and I think this is what he was talking about or screaming that all ageplayers are pedophiles hence my comment on suspecting that those guys screaming about that kinda stuff are likely the ones now screaming about their privacy in this issue

I'm pretty sure no matter what anyone does to fix these issues someone is gonna complain about it

As for AVS I have not heard of a whole lot of problems with it and AVS is a very old system it works and its probably the only way to confirm that anyone is an adult as credit cards are accessible in some countries by anyone over the age of 13

again hence my comment that those screaming about putting all them ageplayers behind bars and screaming that they are all pedophiles are likely the ones screaming illogical stuff about identity theft and AVS

Most places accept drivers license as a form of age verification on the rare occassion because of the country of origin a passport is needed because there just isn't another means of verification of age for that country. In any event this entire thing is silly everyone is screaming fix the pr0n fix the pron then they scream NOO when they do something to fix the pr0n.

I"m assuming that the solution people had in mind about the pr0n was to remove it entirely. Unfortunately since Linden Labs is in the process of a giant experimental 3d internet which would include that kinda content it wont be going anywhere anytime soon only regulated appropriately which in the USA requires an age verification system to be in place.

I guess I dont understand this entire thing or is it a different crowd screaming about their privacy in relation to "teh pr0n" then the usual crowd. Are they saying they want to see "teh pr0n" and not prove their age? because this is the only reason I can see for someone to be solidly against any age verification system at all ^^

Hmm yes they need to define what they are talking about, do they meanteen play or childplay or infantplay, teenporn, childporn or infantporn?

There is grey area there for many on what they find nteresting and what they can accept others doing

I agree with the fact that they created the issue with the no verification system of last year, but if one post is to be believed, it will probably only require that which we fill when we sign up for a lot of other sites. Name, Address and DoB, with the 'official numbers' only being required if we fail to match with public records, which can be gotten off the internet for a fee anyways.

I do think that charging the premium accounts an additional fee (be it L or USD) is a bit too much. Why not give the premium accounts a bit more value? Heck, this might encourage some people to go premium even if they have no interest in land!

Otherwise, I was one of them that was of the mindset that "We're all supposed to be adults here, so it is only AGE PLAY between consenting adults." This will just help matters a bit more.

if it indeed turns out that it's that simple for me to verify , i wont complain.
what is most annoying about this though is that i really dig sl but the owners are hellbent on making this experience less and less fun- each and every week.

and with the appeal of island tier sl premium must come with firstland to be of any value. dumped on the grid with little more $ than a weeks rent makes for a hard life!

As far as passport raping yes people have cause for concern.

Would you feel odd if before purchasing your groceries the store manager asked you for a copy of your passport, SSN, or drivers license? And told you it would be stored in an online database?

My guess is yes.

Don't lose sight of the real issue. It isn't about age verification.

You can replace "SL" in that sentence with "internet" and it remains true just the same. I guess we better all brace for that Fox News Special That Killed the Internet any day now.

There is no "age verification" in your web browser. Some do have parental controls, though. A subtle but quite crucial difference LL could use to take note of.

1.) No sexual activity that goes on in virtual worlds or computer games could possibly be dangerous, illegal or traumatizing (other than for mentally disturbed people who have lost their grip of reality). In other words: there is no such thing as a thought crime or a virtual crime.

2.) Everything that goes on between consenting adults is none of anyone else's business. Adults dressing up as schoolgirls or wearing diapers aren't doing anything illegal in RL as well as SL, and it borders on libel to call those cosplayers pedophiles. It's not exactly my fetish, but a harmless game nonetheless; whoever gets upset about it is the same type who in RL condemns gay couples who show their affection for each other in public.

3.) Laws that call it pedophilia when an adult follows his biological program that attracts him to a sexually mature 16 year old girl who in turn follows her biological program by seeking attention from males, are perverted and against human nature. Personally, I feel only attracted to mentally mature partners, but I also remember having a 16 year old girlfriend when I was 19. Anyone who wants to call me a pedophile for having made my first experiences with a sexually mature person who happened to be 3 years younger than I was? Don't thought so.

4.) People who act out their fantasies in SL, which are different from their RL urges in many cases, are a) harmless and b) chose an environment that was advertized as a virtual world for adults only. If LL happens to suck at age verification, that's not their customer's problem.

5.) It's an infamy and totally unacceptable that LL tells us now that:
— The kids are going to stay because LL is incapable or envision a 3D cyperspace for the whole family cluttered with Coca Cola advertisements, and we are responsible for protecting the minors they willfully let in;
— No matter that we can can already protect ourselves by restricting our land to verified residents, now we have to give vital personal information to a third party instead of using a safe method like paypal for verification, which many adults will be reluctant to do;
— Shop owners have to flag their land as a sex zone (and lose those customers who are reluctant to give away their ID) even if they only sell lingerie and their vendor displays depict as much as a female nipple, and
— Tenants who live on rented land that the land owner doesn't want to flag can't have sex anymore in the privacy of their own homes.

6.) LL doesn't tell us that:
— Their new policy will change jack squat, except for a loss in sales for responsible shop and club owners;
— The kids are already here, now they try to make it official by passing the legal responsibility on to the land owners who once invested under the preference of making business in an adult environment;
— The black market that could soon establish might make pirate copies a lot more interesting, and
— Mainland parcels still can't be protected from the prying eyes of minors who are even able to use vendors from an adjacent parcel.

Well I'm not a murderer, fraudster, paedophile, rapist, racist or any other kind of criminal, but I don't have a problem signing up to a code of law to prevent them. Did you tell your bank to go to hell when they asked for your personal details? Read the label "Second Life" not "alternative lawless life".

wtf mate?
signing up to what code of law? the linden tos?
linden is not my bank, they have my pay pal (verified) and had my cc. they dont need a tax file number or a medicare card.
this isnt about a lawless life. even though the lindens have encouraged anarchy as a matter of policy.