Where are all the folks from the "Ageplay" threads?

I'm just curious.

A while ago, there was thread after thread about how "ageplay should be banned because Linden Labs sucks and they let kids in and there's no age verification, so ageplay between two consenting adults should be banned until they figger out a way to verify age" and yaddayaddayadda.

Now LL has taken these concerns to heart and actually seem to be doing something about age verification and everyone's kicking up?

Where are the people who were screaming "Ageplayers are paedophiles" and ranting about the need for verification? I don't see them defending this policy.

Me? I'm not terribly comfortable about having to hand over my passport, but I'm guessing that Linden Labs have the forethought to realize that there's an Identity Theft issue and will do their darnedest to alleviate these concerns in the weeks to come.

I have a feeling that a company that is smart enough to make Second Life (no matter what "No one will call me back, I can't get support, you should have everyone working on stability, even the receptionists and art directors and marketing people!" issues you may have with them) are smart enough to realize that this is not going to be received well and will do everything in their power to make sure that we, the customers, will be protected and taken care of.

It's not time to panic yet. It's not even time to worry.
Concern? Sure. But we honestly don't have enough information to get as worked up into a lather about it as we are.

"Internal testing is underway now, with a limited roll-out expected to follow by mid-May".

By the time the information is there, it'll already be a reality, making the need for information at that point rather futile.

What I mean is that there is so much conjecture on the other threads, people opining and lecturing, projecting the worst when we don't know anything other than what they've told us so far. Yes, this is another cause for concern, but I'm willing to wait for Linden Labs to explain themselves before I run around burning all my assets and quitting the game.

heh

kinda funny but

i'm pretty sure ageplay folks would want the avs in place because they aren't all horrible evil criminals although people always need a villain.

Those who are anti age play can't scream that garbage anymoer because it would all be consenting adults

And i have no idea why i am busy replying to a thread that is basically flamebait calling out a certain group of people but its kinda worth a giggle or three so whatever

please note that most avs in place usually accept a drivers license which is realy no big deal i'm not sure what the hassle is about with this anyhow?

Other then its something new all your doing is providing age verification to areas that contain things like Porn etc which should have been theer in the first place. If you dont use it on the net then you wont need to use it in SL. If you do use it on the net then your used to avs and it wont bother you. Again where is the problem?

this is only a couple of weeks away from happening to us. at what point will it be appropriate to start getting 'worked up'?

Everybody screaming needs to sit their asses down and realize that SL is ripe for a Fox News Special on how there are absolutely no controls to prevent children from accessing porn in SL, free accounts with no verification and any kid can be running around with a wang looking for sex clubs within 20 minutes of sign up. SL will be shuttered within a day.... It has to be done. Maybe the method is going a little overboard, but it still has to be done.

yeah i think people who are really into the sex part will verify -im sure they are used to having to prove their age. but if you arent into that shit its very annoying to have to either 'signup for porn' or else navigate the land like a pinball.

see wilhelm i addressed your edit before you even made it.

I wasn't flamebaiting. Honest. I just found it a little odd that when the ageplay debate was going on, there were HUGE amounts of "OMG Think of the childrens" people calling for this very thing.
I was curious where they were now that the forums are full of "No Age Verification" threads. Why haven't they weighed in.

That's all I was asking. I'm not interested in a flame war and I'm not sure how one could get started from this...



When we have a little more info would be my guess. Hell, from all the conjecture, accusations and projection on the forums right now, you'd think that LL is going "Identity theft? What's that? We never heard of it. You mean people steal your identity and spend your money? Really? Noooo... you're joking."
I'm guessing that they actually DO have a plan in place to protect us, but didn't put it all in this announcement. When it IS put in place and we haven't heard anything more, then yeah, let's all flip the hell out. I'm all for that. But this almost hysterical "OMG, I'M QUITTING, LL IS RAPING MY PASSPORT" reaction can't be helping.

use the mature filter i dunno i would hazard a guess though that they will soon be adding a third designation for XXX.

I dont use porn but i sometimes set up a shop in areas that contain it like many other merchants. They really aren't that hard to deal with the AVS things. I've set up a few in my time (not recently though but a few years ago i set up a few age verification systems very rarely did anyone need to send in a scan of anything usually the drivers license number was sufficient the only issue i have is there being a charge normally you dont charge for age verification on a site you only charge for the content etc so that sounds wierd but if its 10L like linden labs is saying im not gonna worry about it a whole lot either lol)

hehe your just calling for a specific group of peopel usually that's considered flamebait as i said i dont care, but the OMG what about the children people are likely the OMG what about my privacy people I would think just about now just a wild guess either that or they are all argued out over the previous issue ^^

Here's a contributor to the ageplay debates (who is not an ageplayer or into cybersex at all but is into freedom for consenting adults and freedom from "thought police". I called for verified accounts then, pretty loudly, to "protect the children," and am glad we're getting it now. I also have called for it whenever the Griefer issue comes up. Glad twice. So that's why you're not hearing from me - yet. Now we do have the next problem: A lot depends on how it is implemented - if they screw it up that could be quite bad indeed, and if it's bad enough I might start screaming about the screwing up, but let's see first.

Wilhelm, I suspect people who are both OMG-what-about-the-children people and OMG-what-about-my-privacy people at this point are in one of two camps. One would be the people who wanted to witch-hunt ageplayers no matter what and see no inconsistency here. The other would be people who are OMG people in general, as in OMG-about-this-subject-because-OMG-I-want-drama!

I think the latter are the more numerous.

Dagnabbit, Har, you beat me to it

As for this proposed age verification system, I will prolly wince a bit as I register / verify my main (Alazarin) and my alts and then carry on pretty much as before.

Mickey, wait until voice is rolled out, *then* you'll see the OMGWTFBBQ types going beserk on the forums and in-world.

Heehee... I wasn't going to mention that... *grin*

I do get the feeling that there are more and more of these on the forums... not sure why I still come here.

Alazarin, OMGWTFBBQ? HA! I am SO stealing that!

I might actually have a OMGWTFBBQ soon... you bring the ribs, Har's on potato salad.

This is a good point

I'm still trying to get my head around this one, to understand all implications.

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One point about passports though.

To get visas and travel documents, I've regularly handed over my passport to a number of questionable or totalitarian governments that would make the Second Life grid look like paradise.

My passport has been in the hands of, just for a small selection...

Pinochet's Chile,
New Guinea during the Bougainville insurrection,
Deng Xiaoping's China,
Guatemala under Vinicio Cerezo,
El Salvador under Alfredo Cristiani,
ironically, in my own government's hands (John Ashcroft's Patriot Act States),

... and a number of other governing bodies whose questionability was only superceded by their incompetence.

The Second Life Customs Officials, by comparison, are pussycats.

Good call, Mickey. There's a potato salad recipe in our family that will knock your socks off.

I'll take you up on that, Mickey. But as I'm vegan, you'll have to settle for Llewellyn's famous tofu ribs.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to butcher a soybean to get the ribs? I mean, milking them is bad enough, with those tiny udders, but actually carving them?

What about Al Qaeda Desmond? What about them? You gave it to them didn't you?

Just for the record, age verification has no direct bearing on the sexual ageplay issue. The legal liability raised by other countries involved the depictions of the *images* of children and adults involved in sexual relationships. Whether or not there is an adult behind the child avator, the depiction of the ageplay imagery itself is what could be considered illegal in certain jurisdictions.

Ah, I don't think so. The closest I may have ever come to their stomping grounds would have been Indonesia, and the hospitality and kindness you find in that part of the world is legendary. Of course I wasn't in Aceh province or anyplace like that, though.

Good point, well for all we know LL has already had corispondance with the government saying fix it or else.

"the depiction of the ageplay imagery itself...."

what i don't get is why people use the term "ageplay" as though it meant "quasi-pedophilia" or "virtual child pornpography". It's not. It's like using the word "bdsm" and "rape" interchangeably.

i mean.. maybe online "ageplay" seems like that (virtual child pornography) - it sure often seems that way to me. But i've been involved in REAL LIFE age play groups. And there is =no one= who looks like a child there. i've seen 6 foot tall men (as litttle boys or little girls). 200+ pound women (as little girls or little boys). Petite people too, sure, but with adult bodies and all that jazz. Everyone clearly an adult even if they are being treated as a child. That is "ageplay".

And...
It is the depiction of =virtual child pornography= that could be considered illegal in certain countries. Not the depiction of ageplay imagery.

Oh!
and i'm really glad for some sort of age verification system being put into place in Second Life again. i'm very much for protecting children and teenagers. And.. i'm willing to expose more of my RL self to Linden Labs to do that (they already have my credit card info as some sort of age identification - but if they require more, i'm all for that).