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Are sex slaves legal?

Bobbyb30 Zohari
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12-05-2007 14:57
From: Meade Paravane
Bad spelling does not a troll make. The sortofa bombshell question with absolutely zero context might make one, though.. :)

What are you asking here, Bobby?

Is this "is it ok to play master/slave?" (yes) or "is it ok to mess with another resident to the point that they can't SL unless they do my bidding?" (no).


I'd like to know about whats right and wrong in SL "escort/prostitution" 'business' if thats what you call it.
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12-05-2007 14:57
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
So are is escorting and being a sex slave for hire illegal?

We all asume you mean IN SL not in RL the answer is a simple NO...they are NOT illegal, but if you keep pushing the issue, the Lindens may just make them illegal...
Let me ask, why do you want to know? That is the REAL question...the motivating reason for even creating this post...

From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
Actually the Lindens have been thinking about it. People thought gambling was legal until the Lindens banned that.

And unless you are a Linden, or close to a Linden, how would you know THAT information?
just what is this all about Mr. 'I'm holding the bag with the beans'?
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12-05-2007 15:12
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We all asume you mean IN SL not in RL the answer is a simple NO...they are NOT illegal, but if you keep pushing the issue, the Lindens may just make them illegal...
Let me ask, why do you want to know? That is the REAL question...the motivating reason for even creating this post...


And unless you are a Linden, or close to a Linden, how would you know THAT information?
just what is this all about Mr. 'I'm holding the bag with the beans'?


Considering your occupation is "Man-slut" and you live near "Slutville" its not surprising the tone of your post.:p

They've made several blog posts over the years about possible problems with the growing number of whores, prostitutes, sluts, escorts, slaves, etc. I'm also an SL Mentor Coach so I do speak to Lindens(whose names will not be disclosed) on different topics.

I'm not exactly pushing this issue, I'm not looking for anyone to sign a petition, I simply would like to know if xxx in SL will last. Gambling left last year and the new age verification will be coming soon so I'd like to know whats next.
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12-05-2007 15:27
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
Are sex slaves legal?:confused:

Edit2: Also, is prostitution legal? I'd like to know this for all the escorts and webcam like services being provided.

I'd also like to know why someone would want to humiliate themselves and become an escort, sex slave, or a prostitute. Especially when they do it solely for a fee of the equivalent of a quarter.
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simply would like to know if xxx in SL will last
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I'd like to know about whats right and wrong in SL "escort/prostitution" 'business' if thats what you call it.
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So are is escorting and being a sex slave for hire illegal?
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Why is Lindall always so eager to take threads off topic? (after you changed the signature which she was commenting on - your previous sig read, "Forum Troll";)


ok...by looking at the above quotes, can you see how you're moving the goalposts on us and why you might not be getting an answer to whatever question you're asking? Going back and editing all of your posts isn't going to help. It just makes things more complicated. The residents here are really good at answering questions, despite all the goofing around. But nobody can answer your question if you won't just spit it out.

What is it you want to know? The answer to all of the above is that it is perfectly legal. It is not prostitution, it is simulated prostitution, which is not even remotely illegal, and Lindal was well within her right to point out that, considering the vague question you asked wothout any explanation, and your previous forum signature, you might just be trolling here. People do it for the equivalent of a quarter for the same reason they labor for hours over a dress or a pair of shoes that they sell for the equivalent of a quarter. They enjoy it.

Now, will you please let us know what it is you want and what the backstory is so we can put the answer in context?
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12-05-2007 15:33
how do you know the lindens are thinking about it?
do you have a link to something official we can read?

did a specific linden tell you that they are thinking about it, and if so could you get that linden to come here and tell us the same thing?

sure anyone can say the lindens are thinking about it, I am sure they think about a lot of things LOL
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12-05-2007 15:34
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Now, will you please let us know what it is you want and what the backstory is so we can put the answer in context?


Or, in answer to the OP's original question: No.

Next question, please.
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12-05-2007 15:44
From: Trout Recreant
ok...by looking at the above quotes, can you see how you're moving the goalposts on us and why you might not be getting an answer to whatever question you're asking? Going back and editing all of your posts isn't going to help. It just makes things more complicated. The residents here are really good at answering questions, despite all the goofing around. But nobody can answer your question if you won't just spit it out.

What is it you want to know? The answer to all of the above is that it is perfectly legal. It is not prostitution, it is simulated prostitution, which is not even remotely illegal, and Lindal was well within her right to point out that, considering the vague question you asked wothout any explanation, and your previous forum signature, you might just be trolling here. People do it for the equivalent of a quarter for the same reason they labor for hours over a dress or a pair of shoes that they sell for the equivalent of a quarter. They enjoy it.

Now, will you please let us know what it is you want and what the backstory is so we can put the answer in context?


Thanks Lidnell for again taking yet ANOTHER thread offtopic...

I have only edited the first post. My question is if its legal and FOR NOW the answer is yes. My second question is why? And for that I have not yet recieved an answer.

Most escorts do it solely for the linden because they believe that it makes faster money than camping. What I'd like to know, (so that I may tell people who ask) is why would you escort for L$50?
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12-05-2007 15:49
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
how do you know the lindens are thinking about it?
do you have a link to something official we can read?

did a specific linden tell you that they are thinking about it, and if so could you get that linden to come here and tell us the same thing?

sure anyone can say the lindens are thinking about it, I am sure they think about a lot of things LOL


I will not name names.

Here is one of the old links that discusses it.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/25/second-life-bans-gambling-following-fbi-investigation/
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12-05-2007 15:49
And here's another link.


http://blog.secondlife.com/?s=sex
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12-05-2007 15:52
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
Thanks Lidnell for again taking yet ANOTHER thread offtopic...

I have only edited the first post. My question is if its legal and FOR NOW the answer is yes. My second question is why? And for that I have not yet recieved an answer.

Most escorts do it solely for the linden because they believe that it makes faster money than camping. What I'd like to know, (so that I may tell people who ask) is why would you escort for L$50?


Trout =/ Lindal. Lindal rarely takes threads off-topic in my experience, but I do it almost constantly. Escorts cost>50L. Honestly, how many people ask you why an escort would do what he or she does for 50L? Is this a question that is constantly coming up?

I suppose it does make money faster than camping, but they mostly do it because they want to do it. Professional scripting makes money faster than camping, but I suspect that most people do it because they like doing it and the money is secondary. Considering the pay, most things in SL are done for the enjoyment first and the cash second because the vast majority of people could make more money by getting another job and working the hours in RL that they pour into SL.
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12-05-2007 15:57
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Trout =/ Lindal. Lindal rarely takes threads off-topic in my experience, but I do it almost constantly. Escorts cost>50L. Honestly, how many people ask you why an escort would do what he or she does for 50L? Is this a question that is constantly coming up?

I suppose it does make money faster than camping, but they mostly do it because they want to do it. Professional scripting makes money faster than camping, but I suspect that most people do it because they like doing it and the money is secondary. Considering the pay, most things in SL are done for the enjoyment first and the cash second because the vast majority of people could make more money by getting another job and working the hours in RL that they pour into SL.


Lol, attacking my occupation now? I only script for myself. And I generally buy my L$.

As for the L$50, I often greet new people in SL and many have asked me why someone would want to prostitute themselves for L$50?

So I assume the links I've provided will serve as the "evidence" you seek?
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12-05-2007 15:59
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
Are sex slaves legal?:confused:

Edit2: Also, is prostitution legal? I'd like to know this for all the escorts and webcam like services being provided.

I'd also like to know why someone would want to humiliate themselves and become an escort, sex slave, or a prostitute. Especially when they do it solely for a fee of the equivalent of a quarter.

you can quit any at any time, no one can FORCE you.... it's just role play.
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12-05-2007 16:00
MSNBC just uncovered a very heart wrenching story about this topic on Monday. You can see it at:

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&fg=rss&vid=e870d134-9889-41a9-a108-3ed81d454357

I am not sure how one can 'pretend' to be one of these women. Being a slave is not usually a choice one makes. These women are afraid for their lives and the lives of their families in many cases. They perform multiple times daily with strange men to 'repay' their debt to their captors for bringing them to America.

How one can pretend to have a slave or be one is just (no words for it). Sure people joke about it and use the term "sex slave" loosely when role playing in SL but the reality is that they are emulating something very real and very unsettling.
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12-05-2007 16:00
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you can quit any at any time, no one can FORCE you.... it's just role play.


I never said that prostitution isn't concensual...it is and its still illegal in most states.
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12-05-2007 16:02
Wow, Bob, you're just digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. You know more about the legal status of escorting - and the Lindens' thoughts on this - than any of us.

So, again, why the pointless question? The socio-financial-psychological reasons people choose to become escorts or pay to have virtual sex with escorts in SL?

Why are you asking us?
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12-05-2007 16:05
From: Chas Connolly
Wow, Bob, you're just digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. You know more about the legal status of escorting - and the Lindens' thoughts on this - than any of us.

So, again, why the pointless question? The socio-financial-psychological reasons people choose to become escorts or pay to have virtual sex with escorts in SL?

Why are you asking us?


I'm sure there are people more knowledgable than me on this topic.

It isn't a pointless question simply because its "TABOO".
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12-05-2007 16:07
Legality aside, the more pressing question is: is it a sin? What if your avatar has impure thoughts? Where are the rabbis, the priests, the mullahs? Where are the non-Goth builds of worship in which avatars can absolve themselves of pixelated impurities? Where are the Puritan SIMs? C'mon people. let's ask ourselves the important questions!!!
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12-05-2007 16:08
From: MadamG Zagato

How one can pretend to have a slave or be one is just (no words for it). Sure people joke about it and use the term "sex slave" loosely when role playing in SL but the reality is that they are emulating something very real and very unsettling.


No, they're not. This is SL, just in case you've forgotten. Nobody is really 'forcing' anyone to do anything here. It's all consensual. We all have keyboards and on and off switches. That is certaionly not true about the RL situations you describe, which are horrendous.

This is SL.
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12-05-2007 16:09
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Legality aside, the more pressing question is: is it a sin? What if your avatar has impure thoughts? Where are the rabbis, the priests, the mullahs? Where are the non-Goth builds of worship in which avatars can absolve themselves of pixelated impurities? Where are the Puritan SIMs? C'mon people. let's ask ourselves the important questions!!!


Yes thankyou. At least someone is asking why...Why doesn't anyone speak out around here?

Okay, I wouldn't go as far to have the Catholic church come to sl and spam us with their biblical propaganda, but who am I to ask these questions?
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12-05-2007 16:09
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
I never said that prostitution isn't concensual...it is and its still illegal in most states.

let me answer differently.... if YOU don't like it, or it offends you, or you think it might be illegal, avoid it and don't be a part of it.

other than that, the simple fact that we are not lawyers makes this a moot discussion..... unless you are seeking opinion, not fact.
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12-05-2007 16:14
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let me answer differently.... if YOU don't like it, or it offends you, or you think it might be illegal, avoid it and don't be a part of it.

other than that, the simple fact that we are not lawyers makes this a moot discussion..... unless you are seeking opinion, not fact.


I am seeking opinion. The Lindens are thinking...their thoughts are opinions not facts.

People may not like drugs and crime, and it may offend them, and they may avoid it, but they will still speak out against it.
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12-05-2007 16:17
i misunderstand your objective - are you speaking out against it?
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12-05-2007 16:20
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i misunderstand your objective - are you speaking out against it?


No, I'm not speaking out against/for it. I simply would like to hear the facts and opinions on this little discussed topic.
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12-05-2007 16:21
Are sex slaves legal? Not in RL - term means something different in SL, so yes.

Is prostitution legal? Same answer as above.

Why would anyone humiliate themselves (doing whatever you consider humiliating)? Don't know, I personally do not enjoy humiliating myself.
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12-05-2007 16:22
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
I am seeking opinion. The Lindens are thinking...their thoughts are opinions not facts.

People may not like drugs and crime, and it may offend them, and they may avoid it, but they will still speak out against it.

its perfectly fine imho. Especially slaves..but thats different and the meaning varies per person

You arent really selling your body or anything, whats the problem?
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