Automated Burglary

It may be completely unrealated

But supposedly Linden Labs is search for a way to retain more of the people who sign up.

A lot of us technically Un-savy types would prefer more privacy.

Hallowed are the coders.

For, without them, there would be no SL!

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm.......

As we've seen in various vice threads, there are busybodies and religious zealots here as well. Everybody does something that somebody doesn't like. And some people will got to great lengths to try to impede that if you let them.

Mmm. griefers. Go great with ketchup. *slurp* *smack*

Some people wont realize how much things might be objectionable until they are on the receiving end.

Oooo... I love you, Rusty!

One of my favorite lines from my favorite show.

Not an excuse, the way to avoid it is in place and is common sense, when someone delete the files from your company's ftp server its the person that didn't follow the security protocol "because this will never happend" that will get sacked.

Its like blaming the one that point at your configuration error instead of blaming yourself for doing the error in the first place.

I'll tell you what I'm thinking:


Better to live in a world that gives people the freedom to be griefers and "opportunists" (what you call grifters)... than to live in a police state which forbids all freedoms that might be abused.

thing is - the government(or Lindens) isnt the only entitity capable of taking your freedoms.

Hallowed are the customers.

For, without them, the coders have no job!

coco

Oh, I wouldn't say that, exactly.

I've written a LOT of code for no one other than myself.

Even been paid to do that, too!

lol .. Second Life all by yourself

sounds fun

I can say that is one statement I agree with you 100% on.

*Playful Joke mode on*

I'm sure some here would say you are playing with yourself.......

But because the Sheep Bot was directly responsible for this theft we have this discussion.


Quite difficult to take precautions against your $0 priced items being placed on a website WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT IT IS HAPPENING.



Restated: The Electric Sheep Company had nothing but good profit intentions from this project.


Then they should dump SL Boutique since it is opt-in. Must not be profitable at all.


'Hey everyone I have a idea about a search engine that we can launch and list all items for sale everywhere!" Then we provide feedback. Waking up and seeing a post about a honest businessman robbed by thieves using a esc bot after he has invested thousands of dollars into SL is not the best time to ask for constructive feedback.

Request Beta testers - don't guinea pig people.



Restated: As Second Life progresses, we're going to have to be aware that more of these corporate opportunists will exploit us in the name of profit/progress. And we have to continue to let them know that we will not just lie down and take it.


More Forum Posts, more outside media and more in-world protest. Then amazingly - Something will be done about the issue. As has been proven in SL many times over the years.


I wonder what happens when enough people are robbed by their items placed on this site and the Class Action Suit is filed against ESC. They may not win but it will be entertainment for the esc stockholders and potential investors.

*golf announcer voice*

So, Steve, what are the odds on this thread becoming the first thread to exceed 50 pages since the old General Forum closed? It already holds the crown of the longest thread since the Resident Answers forum was opened; can it keep up this pace for 4 more brutal pages to become a true hall of famer?

What does your instinct tell you, Steve? Are there any secrete strategies these battered players need to hold to here in the hour of greatest need?

*announce throw to Steve over on the Sand Trap"

Yes, it is called "WorldForge". It is quite a fun piece of software to use and play with. Can even share your worlds with your friends, too!

A game doesn't have to be a) multiplayer and b) Second Life to be fun, but I'm sure you already knew that, right?

You did, didn't you?

*yawn* yes, we can all keep repeating the same tired old rhetoric endlessly, too.

It isn't theft. The sheep bot functions according to parameters that never had anything to do with encouraging theft any more than Google encourages piracy. Mitigate your risks properly, and you minimize your losses. SL Boutique is a listings site; the indexer bot is a search engine; two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT approaches to the problem.



OH NOES! THE SKY!! IT IS FALLING!!!

Yes, it worked so well for CopyBot. We even have the !quit spammer legacy to point out how the letter-writing campaign was such a success!



Don't hold your breath on that one. Wait, no, please hold your breath on that one; at least after a few minutes, you'll pass out and something positive will happen here in the forums for a short while.

As long as you want to keep posting this polarizing idiocy, someone will keep responding to it, but don't let that stop you; we've at least 3 more pages to go for the record!!

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At least get the mis-quote right if you're gonna fake it.

rotflmao

Don't forget, when it does get locked I have a follow up thread waiting to move it to at http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=11697

Seriously, though, I would just like any one of three things:

Either
1) make getting listed in the sheepsearch be voluntary
or
2) make a point of telling newbies and new builders to be careful not to leave items on sale
or
3) resident resistance makes the sheepsearch not so useful and it gets turned off while people do some more thinking

To this end I'd like to see people keep talking until word finally gets out.

There haven't been a lot of threads locked lately. I think it's because the moderator appreciates our need for this forum and perhaps does not appreciate some crappy things that were said to him/her by some cranky person/bot on another thread.

If this is the comment that closes this record-setting thread I apologize and will make it up to you all by rezzing my entire inventory in Carlisle and setting it all for $0.

It doesn't bother me personally. Its not as if its actually tracking me..... its just tracking a few pixels over an area of a lot of pixels.

This isn't real life.... having your avatar tracked isn't going to effect you in RL or really in SL... unless you've done something to really p*** someone off and the might want to track you down for revenge. But if someone does then just mute them. Its hardly like someone in RL tracking you down and stalking you.

I get the feeling that some people have spent too much time in SL and can't differentiate the Real World against a bunch of pixels on a computer screen.

Drifting off-topic every other post is not considered kicking any tail Talarus.

People used the esc Bot to buy items that were not intended for sale. This has the same usefulness as copybot. The Lindens should look into developing some rules and regulations around this device as they did copybot. (on topic)

I don't use ban lines or security devices out of courtesy for others - ban lines are ugly, and both ban lines and security devices can make navigating between different parts of a sim difficult. I have no problems with people flying over my house for example.

However, I expect a common courtesy back - my house has one way windows and locked doors. I know that these are easily bypassed by camera and teleports but that isn't the point. The house is clearly a private residence, and not respecting that privacy "just because you can", is a violation of the privacy that I (and others) have as much a moral right to in SL as in RL.

As regards selling as in RL, to put something up for general sale to anyone has been a two step process -

a) marking the item for sale
b) advetising the item as being available for sale

If you haven't done both steps then as in RL the item is not on general sale.

Whilst I wouldn't regard those who teleport in and snatch unadvertised things up from private homes necessarily as "thieves", I do regard the ESC bot as an invasion of privacy.

Much of SL is social interaction and we should adopt the same courtesies we show in RL within SL whether that be as individuals or as bots. As in RL there will be those who abuse the system to their own personal gain at the detriment of others, but as it RL there is no reason that such behaviour should be condoned just because they "can".

Matthew