Height Discrimination in Second Life

Almost no real grown women have curves* like most SL women do!




* okay, vertices

I don't see the point of this thread. I don't see the point of wasting any time in an adult club either, but I realize and respect other people's needs. If you so much wanted to attend these places, couldn't you just increase your height momentarily? It isn't hard to do and saves you a lot of trouble.

What number is 4'10" on the sliders? I have no idea how tall I am in RL terms but my avatar is 50 on the sliders.

Your leg and maybe torso length also affect overall height.

50 height + 50 leg + 50 torso gets you about 5'6" for female avs according to most height detectors, which are also , I have learned off by a few inches. So a few inches over 5'6"

If you have a very long neck or hip length you can also affect your height by a little bit

I can understand that, since I'm also a bit worried as a shop owner, mostly regarding the "broadly offensive content" issue. But from all we heard from LL regarding ageplay, they have nothing against child avatars as long as they don't engage in sexual activities, and only view avatars as child avatars if it's obvious that the intention of the user was to look like a child. An avatar with mature female hips / waist / chest proportions doesn't resemble a child, no matter how small the avatar is.

Club, shop and public sim owners should relax. As long as their place is not intended for sexual ageplay or advertises sexual ageplay, what reason would LL have to ban them? It's madness that now people who are usually tolerant and open-minded do exactly what they fear others would do to them, i.e. discriminate and even AR other residents (thinking of a certain group that was founded to protest against LL's new policy, and then decided that witch hunts might be more fun).

I am nearly 5'7" in RL so this works for me

The well-meant advice to change their avatar seems reasonable on the first look... but if you think about it, it's as discriminating from the club owners to demand a certain avatar height as it would be to insist on a certain skin color. It would be easy to switch, let's say, a blue avatar skin against a green one in order to enter such a club, but if I would fully understand if blue-skinned people were upset.

Of course it's the good right of the land owner to decide who is allowed to visit their place. And in RP sims with a fantasy or medieval theme, I understand if a certain look is required. If I know I have to dress up as an elf or dwarf I'll do that or stay away. But for a public, advertised club or shop it's really not a good business decision.

Thank you! That's EXACTLY my point, Aleister! I'm glad to hear from someone with a seeming brain on this issue.

Lemme quote this just again!:



Which is EXACTLY my point, and why I'm upset at the idea that people are screaming about height. Because my av is QUITE mature.

I agree with this as well, they need better av rulers for shorter heights. And I wondered about the feet when looking at them myself They do look ridiculously large on a smaller av.

Yup, no pointy-toed shoes for my alt...Shiny Things' still look pretty good, though.

One I suggestion I have is to put a rough age in your profile. If the busybodies don't bother to check your SL profile, how can they be sure of the Avs age?

Otherwise LL really needs to hunker down and define clear rules of conduct. Honestly LL has to step up and say where the line is drawn before the Adult Grid is turned into an adult only Teen grid. Smut is not high on my list of SL priorities and I honestly find some of it offencive, but it is high on other peoples and I except and tolerate that. There are aquantences of mine that are/play strippers and such, and that is their choice, I will hang out with them at their SL workplace from time to time more to be social then for the "sights". I guess my RL has tought me to be quite tolerant of things I do not approave of because these are the choices of others, I may voice my oppinions to the contrary of them but it's not my place to force these oppinions on them.

QFT

Mari

I put up a suggestion in JIRA to change the appearance sliders to reflect RL measurements; if lots of people vote for it and it gets changed, then more people will probably NOT walk around being 7 ft tall... see my sig for the issue number!

*hurries up and votes on that*

Thank you!

I agree with the one comment though, it can't be done with one slider, really, the way its set up now. It just needs an overall height listed in a little box, somewhere, compiled of all the slider settings.

The feet issue surprised me a bit.

My avatar is 5'7". Her feet seem fine to me, and sometimes I even have her in clunky brown boots. They look realistic to me (average, even.)

Most of the really tall women don't though. They have what seem to me 'Barbie feet'. Now that's cool if that's what you're after, but I'm wondering if normalcy in proportions have been skewed in people's minds after seeing that so often in SL.

Agreed, but please still allow overly tall Avs, 8' 5" as a max hight would be perfect for my needs. Then my project Av form won't be a runt by Clan Elemental standards and I can model the rest of the project far more accurately.

LOL that's cool. I don't think we should put actual LIMITS on avatar size; just let people know how tall they actually are.

It's the shoe designers or the shape designers. Prim shoes are usually made for the smallest foot size only, and all store-bought avatar shapes come with feet in the smallest size. It's odd that so far no prim show designer had the idea to offer different sizes.

Males have the opposite problem. Prim shoes for males tend to be built for the enormous feet of all the 7 - 8 ft giants. A 5.8 ft tall male looks like Bozo the clown in those things.

Yeah, clothing needs to be adaptable to the av foot size, or clothing size. It's silly not to be that way, if it isn't always I'm just glad most of the stuff I have will fit either of my av sizes.

Most people, art students excepted, have very little idea of actual body proportions of people, and tend to go for shapes taht correspond to those full-length humanoid images they have seen. Sadly, this tends to be either saturday morning cartoons, or else barbie dolls. mainstream TV contains surprisingly few full length images of people that are suitable for people to look at at length and get a real idea of body ratios.

Sadly true. That or they looked at online porn or some other format where models are either too skinny, have implants, or both.

I know at least Fallingwater Cellardoor offers different shoe sizes, Aleister, at least on her more recent things. Some of my footware from her goes from size 0 to size 50 or better.

The point was clearly outlined in the original post. Please go re-read.

Meanwhile, I don't see the point of your post. Again, please start at the beginning and read slowly.

Thanks!

I'm clearly stated as being 213 years old in my profile, being Kitsune I can live to 900 years.

I am short, 4'6" by a ruler and 5'2" by a prim. My size is in part due to my youth in Kitsune terms (I also only have 2 tails) but mainly for the Aesthetic, I really dislike the look of cloned 8', inverted triangle giants.

I am male, so don't have curves or wide hips to counter my short size, unless of course I am ruthed, but that generally makes me grow a few inches as well

I am a member of a few reputable Kid groups in SL, but that is due to respect and to maintain contact with friends. I don't believe guilt by association yet exists in the Linden AR policies even if it does for the puritans.

So, am I a child in the thought polices minds? Yes! Even though I don't speak with a lisp or affliction and I don't have a paci, I don't wear diapers and I don't carry a teddy bear. I use adult words and hold adult concepts. I'm 213 years old but short, and being short, to them I'm a child.

I can confirm that profile age doesn't stop the puritans from their hate, I still get grief from them.