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Montecarlo Bay Stolen By My Associate

SuezanneC Baskerville
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06-17-2007 00:20
From: someone
On the other hand if you opt for majority rule for sales then might not your sole partner simply aquire a third(an alt) to outbid you?

The sole partner making an alt doesn't mean the alt is in the group as an officer.
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Francesca Alva
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06-17-2007 01:20
The OP's partner acted unethically but what he did cannot be described as criminal in the strict sense of the word. He played the game according to its rules.

I think the consensus idea is a good one. Perhaps someone should propose it as a feature.
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06-17-2007 01:54
Perhaps remove your land tier comittments to the group the land may even revert to Linden Labs then unless he has sufficient tier to cover it, if you can't have it let him lose it.
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06-17-2007 02:41
I have heard a lot of stories lately very similar to this one. There have always been people in SL looking to make a quick buck by dishonest means, but it seems some are now playing the 'long con' and befriending people setting up groups and acting perfectly legitimately for many months while he group assets grow before completing the 'con' and stealing every thing that isn't nailed down. It's got to be allot harder to avoid this sort of trap and Mulder got it right when he said 'trust no one'. Or at least only trust people you know well from RL or that you've known well in SL for many many months before giving them the oportunity to bleed you dry.
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Filippo Daniels
06-17-2007 04:28
i know filippo we been niebours and friends for quite a while hes hard working and friendly and always happy to help where he can im sadden by this turn of events i also know the other party involved and i will be seeing if there is anything that can be done
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06-17-2007 04:42
This will continue to happen unless the Lindens find a way to start getting involved with some of this stuff. It was not so bad not that long ago because most people who used SL had a respect for each other in it, however it seems that day is long gone. The scams are poping up more then ever and it does not help that the people who run these scam know they will and can get away with it.
Marianne McCann
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06-17-2007 06:55
From: VooDoo Bamboo
This will continue to happen unless the Lindens find a way to start getting involved with some of this stuff. It was not so bad not that long ago because most people who used SL had a respect for each other in it, however it seems that day is long gone. The scams are poping up more then ever and it does not help that the people who run these scam know they will and can get away with it.


Ya, as the world gets bigger, it becomes harder an harder t know who's a good person an who's not. Way more chances of getting ripped off, an also more people willing to rip ya off.

Mari
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06-17-2007 06:57
From: Marianne McCann
Ya, as the world gets bigger, it becomes harder an harder t know who's a good person an who's not. Way more chances of getting ripped off, an also more people willing to rip ya off.

Mari


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06-17-2007 06:58
Sadly, you're right. It saddens me that there seems to be a kind of amoral attitude about this, and it fosters an environment where nobody will be willing to trust anyone else. It's precisely opposite from the collaborative relationships that the enhanced group features were designed to encourage. Any "technical" solution is bound to impose restrictions on all parties, healthy trust relationships included. It's easy to preach the "know your partners" sermon, but with this "long con" trend you point out, not so easy to practice.

That being said, about the only tecnical solution I can really think of that makes sense would be to limit the ability of a group officer or owner so that the max amount of land he can sell from the group is equal to the total land he actually deeded to the group. Not total tier contribution, but total land area bought for and deed to the group. Still messy, problematic, not sure it's worth the effort, only on first cup of coffee..

From: Porky Gorky
I have heard a lot of stories lately very similar to this one. There have always been people in SL looking to make a quick buck by dishonest means, but it seems some are now playing the 'long con' and befriending people setting up groups and acting perfectly legitimately for many months while he group assets grow before completing the 'con' and stealing every thing that isn't nailed down. It's got to be allot harder to avoid this sort of trap and Mulder got it right when he said 'trust no one'. Or at least only trust people you know well from RL or that you've known well in SL for many many months before giving them the oportunity to bleed you dry.
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06-17-2007 07:50
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Sadly, you're right. It saddens me that there seems to be a kind of amoral attitude about this, and it fosters an environment where nobody will be willing to trust anyone else. It's precisely opposite from the collaborative relationships that the enhanced group features were designed to encourage. Any "technical" solution is bound to impose restrictions on all parties, healthy trust relationships included. It's easy to preach the "know your partners" sermon, but with this "long con" trend you point out, not so easy to practice.

That being said, about the only tecnical solution I can really think of that makes sense would be to limit the ability of a group officer or owner so that the max amount of land he can sell from the group is equal to the total land he actually deeded to the group. Not total tier contribution, but total land area bought for and deed to the group. Still messy, problematic, not sure it's worth the effort, only on first cup of coffee..



How about a structure where land or goods deeded to a group can only be put on sale with the permission of the person who originally deeded or bought for the group?


I don't know how inconvenient that would be for a group set up specifically to trade in land. Could it be that such groups are usually one person anyway? - or maybe a very small and organised number of people?
BamBam Sachertorte
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06-17-2007 08:14
From: Sling Trebuchet
How about a structure where land or goods deeded to a group can only be put on sale with the permission of the person who originally deeded or bought for the group?


I don't know how inconvenient that would be for a group set up specifically to trade in land. Could it be that such groups are usually one person anyway? - or maybe a very small and organised number of people?
This would be a problem if they have left SL but not cancelled there account. Maybe there could be a veto period where the land or object would remain deeded to the group. During the veto period any group member with deeding rights would be given the opportunity to veto the other member's deed. At the end of the veto period the land/object would then be salable, unless there was a veto. The member who originally deeded the land/object to the group would not be subject to the veto period.
Tiziana Catteneo
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06-17-2007 13:14
Is your EX associate one of the founders of an italian SL bank ?
Nina Stepford
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06-18-2007 01:05
that is a brilliant idea.
From: BamBam Sachertorte
This would be a problem if they have left SL but not cancelled there account. Maybe there could be a veto period where the land or object would remain deeded to the group. During the veto period any group member with deeding rights would be given the opportunity to veto the other member's deed. At the end of the veto period the land/object would then be salable, unless there was a veto. The member who originally deeded the land/object to the group would not be subject to the veto period.
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06-18-2007 02:26
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