No copy = Bad Idea
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
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02-04-2010 18:18
From: Lear Cale I've noticed some customers buy two copies of my copiable items. Ah well. Not that I've never done anything that silly! I had that happen as well very recently. I was trying to figure out why someone would do that since it was copy/mod - no transfer. So I IM'd the customer and asked if they'd meant to purchase two of the same item. They said no and I refunded the money for one. The person thanked me profusely. I'm thinking after the purchase, the person was probably too embarrassed to contact me.
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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02-04-2010 19:05
From: Johan Laurasia I make stuff.. my name is on it. I don't want amateurs modifying it beyond what settings I choose to build into it for them to change.
You must be European.
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3Ring Binder
always smile
Join date: 8 Mar 2007
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02-04-2010 20:15
you're preaching to the choir, Paul. =/
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Elric Anatine
Full Lunar Alchemist
Join date: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 381
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Just Adding My Two Cents
02-04-2010 21:46
In the 3 years I've been here and given that I'm both a shopaholic and former furnished home renter, I've never had issues with furniture and SL.
Furniture needn't be copy. Mod is useful to tweak texture tints. If scripted, good scripts are essential. If complex scripts then they should be resettable.
Vehicles MUST be copy because sim crossings are evil and will take your vehicle as a sacrafice.
Clothing would ideally be copy/mod for many reasons -- the biggest being that not all avatars are the same dimensions nor do we all maintain the same avatar.
Buildings really should be copy/mod for tweaking purposes.
Everything else, I feel, I think, is fine no copy.
And as mentioned earlier, good customer service will provide for SL glitches on the rare occasion they happen.
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ralph Alderton
Registered User
Join date: 8 Aug 2009
Posts: 10
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Copy Perms Bad For Business
02-05-2010 01:43
INSIDER INFO - Things THEY won't tell you - if you want to make money in SL :
For clothes and avatar accessories copy / no Trans is best for selling and business.
For land based products - houses, furniture, plants etc : No Copy / Transfer is best for making the most money
If you sell land based products with Copy Perms you will just get ripped off by land owners who will buy your product once and then commercialise it and add value to their land products, selling YOUR product over and over again and you won't get a cent.
You will make twenty times more money selling NO COPY / Trans if you make and sell a land based product.
But beginner merchants and some who foolishly believe that Copy Perms are best always shoot themselves in the foot, usually because some uninformed person encourages them to sell with Copy Perms.
You will just lose loads of moeny selling with copy perms and you will shorten and destroy the shelf life of your products and business.
If you want to make a successful business and make money in SL don't sell land based products with Copy Perms. You will just get ripped off and others will make money from your hard work
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Marcel Flatley
Sampireun Design
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 2,032
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02-05-2010 03:48
@ralph: It does amuse me that you title this part "INSIDER INFO". What exactly in your contribution is inside information? Nothing in there that people cannot figure out by thinking for... lets say a few seconds. Now I have had a few pretty successfull businesses for a while now. Two of those are in your land-based category. The furniture store, my oldest one, did a try with both offering copy and no-copy, and I stopped with it. Most I sold was nocopy , and I do sell copy stuff on request anyway. Never saw a landlord buy 20 of the same items though, even though you say I should make 20 times as much money on my items  The plants store, I decided to go for copyable, where most plant stores sold only transfer items. And it became quite a success, even when land-based stuff. Exactly because people know it is copyable, they decide to buy. Now how others would make money of my hard work, I do not know, but what I do know is that I seem to do pretty well with both set-ups. In order to run a successful business, there is a lot needed, and one of the least important things are the permissions 
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Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
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02-05-2010 07:01
From: ralph Alderton INSIDER INFO - Things THEY won't tell you - if you want to make money in SL : THEY who? From: someone For clothes and avatar accessories copy / no Trans is best for selling and business. I wonder what information you're basing your assertion here. I prefer copy, so that I can make outfit folders and use the same article in multiple outfits. Others prefer trans so they can pass stuff to alts or friends, or sell it if they no longer want it. I've heard from owners of significant shops that sales tends to be the same either way; most people choose the item for its appearance and pay little regard to the permissions. From: someone For land based products - houses, furniture, plants etc: No Copy / Transfer is best for making the most money That may be true, but I sell a lot of copy/no-trans product to clubs/loandlords/etc who buy it specifically because it's a good value for them. Business turnover is so high, it amounts to a lot of sales. From: someone If you sell land based products with Copy Perms you will just get ripped off by land owners who will buy your product once and then commercialise it and add value to their land products, selling YOUR product over and over again and you won't get a cent. No, only if you sell it copy/trans. If you sell it copy/no-trans, they can't sell it or give it to anyone. From: someone You will make twenty times more money selling NO COPY / Trans if you make and sell a land based product. From: someone Really -- based on what studies? I bet you're correct that you'll make more money selling xfer/no-copy than copy/no-xfer. But that's my guess; I'm not stating it as a fact, and I certainly wouldn't try to quantify it without numbers to back it up. From: someone If you want to make a successful business and make money in SL don't sell land based products with Copy Perms. You will just get ripped off and others will make money from your hard work It's not "ripped off" if it's what I intended. I also have full perm freebies for builders to use. They're not ripping me off, they're benefitting from my largesse. Big difference.
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Jenshae Werefox
T-ease
Join date: 3 Mar 2009
Posts: 376
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02-05-2010 07:05
How about Linden Labs makes a once copy and they are basically the same item ####(1) if ####(0) gets transferred then ####(1) goes with it, so there is a back up and they are essentially no copy. Could even try make it a one rezz at a time but that gets tricky.
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Pussycat Catnap
Sex Kitten
Join date: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 1,131
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02-05-2010 08:24
From: Marcel Flatley The plants store, I decided to go for copyable, where most plant stores sold only transfer items. And it became quite a success, even when land-based stuff. Exactly because people know it is copyable, they decide to buy. Presently there are several plant stores that sell copy plants. Maybe you kicked off a trend. Perhaps I'll go visit your shop and see if its work remembering for myself or friends.
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Innula Zenovka
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Join date: 20 Jun 2007
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02-05-2010 09:54
From: Marcel Flatley The plants store, I decided to go for copyable, where most plant stores sold only transfer items. And it became quite a success, even when land-based stuff. Exactly because people know it is copyable, they decide to buy.
Exactly so. Well, I guess it depends on the amount of land you're planting and the sort of plants, but generally I won't buy no copy vegetation -- unless, perhaps it's something that's meant to be a unique feature on the sim, like a large tree -- because I'm expecting to have to put a load of them down, whatever they are, and I really don't want to spend time calculating whether I'm going to need 30 or 35 of whatever it is, nor buying 40 of the damn things one at a time (the extra five so I don't have to waste time going back to buy some more when I change my plans) and nor, when I come to change the sim, do I want to have to pick them all up, one by one, and store them against future use. I expect to pay, and don't mind paying, a high premium for copyable stuff that actually is going to get copied a lot (sculpted grass and other ground cover, for example). But no way, no matter how much I like it nor how keen the price, am I going to buy dozens of no copy versions of the same thing.
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