Camping.. how to stop it?
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Gaybot Foxley
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Join date: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 584
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03-25-2007 17:37
LL could start by making a new rule: Land owners are only allowed 3-5 camping chairs on their property unless they own the entire sim. Anyone caught with more camping chairs than that on their property will have them all removed, and a warning/ban may be issued. I don't see why they allow someone who owns a section of the sim to use 40 camping chairs when the limit of avatars in a sim is 40.
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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03-25-2007 17:40
From: Gaybot Foxley LL could start by making a new rule: Land owners are only allowed 3-5 camping chairs on their property unless they own the entire sim. Anyone caught with more camping chairs than that on their property will have them all removed, and a warning/ban may be issued. I don't see why they allow someone who owns a section of the sim to use 40 camping chairs when the limit of avatars in a sim is 40. Camping is in LL's best interests Its just not in the average Residents Best Interests.
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White Hyacinth
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Join date: 15 Nov 2006
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03-25-2007 17:43
From: Colette Meiji There are less decent jobs in SL becuase business owners are busy giving their Payrolls to campers. I am not sure I understand what you mean. By the way I just had my first encounter with a camping bot. I got up for a payout and sooner than anyone could click, K... H... jumped om my chair. Interesting encounter! She is easy to recognize: Does not wear any clothes... I have removed the name of said creature, because it seems we are not allowed to name any names in here 
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Colette Meiji
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03-25-2007 17:50
From: White Hyacinth I am not sure I understand what you mean. By the way I just had my first encounter with a camping bot. I got up for a payout and sooner than anyone could click, K... H... jumped om my chair. Interesting encounter! She is easy to recognize: Does not wear any clothes... I have removed the name of said creature, because it seems we are not allowed to name any names in here  okay Imagine you own a Venue. You want it to be sucessful. you set up your classified ads. You have an additional budget of X. With the Traffic system in place You know you need to be high on the traffic lists, This influences how much you can charge your sponsers (vending machine) as well as how many people come to spend money. How do you get Traffic? You need people. If people wont come you need to pay them. The most effective way to pay them is to pay campers. When you Spend Y on campers you only have X-Y to spend on employees. Okay with no traffic system. Your word of mouth reputation replaces the Traffic number. Reputation is all about customer service. You spend X on helpful employees.
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
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03-25-2007 17:50
From: White Hyacinth So I say what we need is decent jobs in SL that pay a reasonable amount of money. What is needed is for people to stop wanting everything and more for free. There will never be a way for everyone willing to use only in-world means to support their SL life, SL simply can not survive that way. What you're proposing only works in a system where everyone pays a monthly fee in US$ to pay for the RL costs of operating SL and then LL can give everyone L$1 million for doing trivial tasks and it won't affect anything, but considering how the people who want in-world jobs are allergic to paying for anything in the first place that wouldn't work either. A store could pay someone to be a sales assistant and they can use that money to pay for their rent and think they're being useful, but in the end, without people willing to trade their US$ for L$, the store owner can't cash out to make a profit, can't cash out to pay their tier, and neither can the landlord so they both pack up and leave.
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FD Spark
Prim & Texture Doodler
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 4,697
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03-25-2007 18:53
The issue is LL isn't doing their part to control lot limits. It isn't fair that someone who owns 8070m2 lot to not have vistiors visit them or go to there land because someone who owns a smaller lot has 28 camping chairs and is usiing up more of ressources. Also truthfully if search and finding products that are good, not rip offs were easier and the land wasn't so expensive those of us like myself who do buy lindens would have more money for products. I camp but its hard to find good spot, I camp for upload money for my creations, for advertising when it was worth it to advertise but I also spend over 75 usd and more on things like land tier, land. I rather sell my creations but no one has interest in type of art stuff I am doing and I am not interested in hooking so if I have already spent 150 usd for land, and what not and I need few things because I can't sell anything what am I going to do? I am going to camp but truthfully camping is more of hassle finding. Anyone with half a brain knows camping in casino's often means you lose money and don't earn much.
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Cristalle Karami
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Join date: 4 Dec 2006
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03-25-2007 21:50
A couple of campers parked in the center of a shop or a number of quality shops isn't evil, and is beneficial to the owner/vendors if the campers buy stuff. This is a productive use of camping, especially if the camper also tells their friends where they got their stuff. Camping bots, however, are a real problem as they don't care what's around them. They just drain the system of money.
The most I've seen you can get in a day is 500L for sitting a full 24h. Recently, anyway. That's not even $2 for the day. It's largely worthless.
For non-bots, camping is at best a breakeven operation when energy is considered.
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Tegg Bode
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Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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03-26-2007 02:25
From: Cristalle Karami A couple of campers parked in the center of a shop or a number of quality shops isn't evil, and is beneficial to the owner/vendors if the campers buy stuff. This is a productive use of camping, especially if the camper also tells their friends where they got their stuff. Camping bots, however, are a real problem as they don't care what's around them. They just drain the system of money.
The most I've seen you can get in a day is 500L for sitting a full 24h. Recently, anyway. That's not even $2 for the day. It's largely worthless.
For non-bots, camping is at best a breakeven operation when energy is considered. Yes but it you have the attitude of refusing to contribute even $2 to the running of SL (after screaming LL are using cheap software & hardware & paying peanuts to employ monkeys of course) then that $2 is all you can get without becoming a productive citizen. If we had some jobs for those that are just bus drivers * waitresses in RL then perhaps camping would be less common, imagine actually getting customers assistance in a store? I have seen it in a few places, and have even seen a few store owners too that actually work in their stores.
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White Hyacinth
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Join date: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 353
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04-02-2007 08:06
From: Kitty Barnett From: White Hyacinth So I say what we need is decent jobs in SL that pay a reasonable amount of money. What is needed is for people to stop wanting everything and more for free. There will never be a way for everyone willing to use only in-world means to support their SL life, SL simply can not survive that way. What you're proposing only works in a system where everyone pays a monthly fee in US$ to pay for the RL costs of operating SL and then LL can give everyone L$1 million for doing trivial tasks and it won't affect anything, but considering how the people who want in-world jobs are allergic to paying for anything in the first place that wouldn't work either. A store could pay someone to be a sales assistant and they can use that money to pay for their rent and think they're being useful, but in the end, without people willing to trade their US$ for L$, the store owner can't cash out to make a profit, can't cash out to pay their tier, and neither can the landlord so they both pack up and leave. If I hire a sales assitant (s)he will not be getting money for free. He will not trade US$ for L$, but he will advise my customers, so he'll be doing actual work for it. And to pay him I will trade US$ for L$.
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poopmaster Oh
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Join date: 9 Mar 2007
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04-02-2007 08:59
ive noticed most of these camping casinos go away after a week or two, the owner fed up with paying ppl to sit and no one playing the games they give up after a bit. i was kinda pleased with teh campin casino next to my land, cuz i can sit in the chair and get paid while i build on my own land next door 
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