Camping.. how to stop it?

Okies, i'm new to Second Life and i'm curious to what I can do about campers?

I bought myself a 1024 piece of land in a new zone on the ML. Only recently a new casino has opened up offering around 35 camping spots. Today I have had difficulty getting to my land, with the zone being constantly full with all the people camping in the casino.

Is there anything I can do to stop this? can I report it?

Welcome to SL Hell.

However, and anyone else can correct me if I'm wrong, your choices are:

STEP A:

1. Write a diplomatic, nicely toned note to the casino order expressing your concerns. Save all notes and IMs, and repeat 3 times over the course of 2 weeks if no response is received.

2a. If casino owner refuses or flips you off, then file an abuse report, attaching copies of all correspondence. Wait up to 3 weeks for LL to respond. Their response may be varied but be prepared for "too bad, so sad". HOWEVER, there is a case for abuse of system resources that they should address.

2b. If casino owner is sensitive, removes some chairs etc., thank them kindly and carry on.


STEP B:

1. Make your land pretty.

2. Sell your land.

3. Buy a sim (or an Island).

4a. Sell off parts of your sim to known quantities and pray they don't flip it to a casino owner.

4b. Enjoy your newfound freedom and while the expenses are much higher, you can do what you like.


Realistically -- be polite and try to resolve things peaceably first before buying a bazooka canon. Good luck.

Camping needs to be banned. Period.

Could LL take away a traffic credit if an avatar is at a location for more than an hour? that would do it.

Make a Prim Bear that eats campers...

I'd pay money for that. LOL

Since no one trusts the Most Popular places list anymore because of camping and most of us if we go somewhere and see if filled with zombie campers, never return to that biz again, why o why are bizzes still putting up camping chairs? Its costs them money, keeps out paying customers, creates serious bad will and drives away future customers.

So why? There is no advantage to the traffic or dwell readout anymore is there? And they aren't that accurate anyway as far as I can tell. I've built a few public hangouts and the numbers are always off as far as I can tell: 343 one day and then 8.

So given all that, why the camping chairs at all?

Damned if I know. But I sure would like to hear an answer from someone who uses this as a marketing strategy.

For what it is worth, casinos are among the most ephemeral of neighbors. If they don't succeed, they vaporize (quite literally some times -- a casino adjacent to my property vacated with a gigantic explosion). If they do succeed, they move to an island or larger property.

There were 2 casinos in my sim for awhile, and shortly there will be none. I'm blessed in my neighbors, who are trying to buy the casino's land. With that purchase, almost half the sim would be adjacent plots that are landscaped for residential use.

Because the little gamblaholics keep playin the machines...

Because a large chunk of customers either simply don't know better or are too lazy to find legitimate locations within such massive lists.


... and it's easier to gamblecamp than make money doing something that's actually productive.

I will never understand camping or paying more than 50 lindens for a classified. The negative effects of camping outweigh any benefit to anyone so greatly, it just makes no sense to let it go on. Yet LL does. That is why if I was a CEO and my guy in aquisitions suggested buying SL, I would fire him.

bottom line: LL makes money when lindens move around.

So LL is never, ever, ever going to stop campers, landbots, or gambling. They make money on each, so they'll keep letting us whine about it while they load their pockets.

It's all about the $usd.

But the bottom line below the bottom line is if they don't fix the performance issues, there will be no SL at all.

If you can't move your avatar, you can't move your lindens around.

That's a good point, Raymond. What does a camping zombie care about moving and spending money? The good and supportive people will eventually depart, as is often the case with communities that become sour. However, I, personally, have hope that there will be good things ahead -- otherwise, this little experiment will be a costly error for LL and its investors.

the solution to this, and many other problems in sl and rl, is simple ethnic cleansing, once you differentiate joe public from the clearly talented (builders, scripters, musicians, artists, entrepeneurs, highly articulated social positions - teaching, hosting, managing and all kinds of clever individuals) and then eliminate joe public from the question, and i really do only mean the clearly stupid waste of space idiots, i'm not a complete nazi we will have a total utopia, and, yay! no campers

of course, the best way this test will be carried out is yet to be seen, any ideas are welcome

LMAO! *was he joking????"

The solution to search for involves not using traffic counts in anything like their present form to identify "popular" places. Take the profit/benefit away, and the practice stops.

One approach would be to tally "Picks" in people's profiles instead. Should be feasible; they are stored on LL computers too, just like the traffic counts. Should be easier, in fact. Just needs a pretty simple spread sheet as far as I can tell.

Any other suggestions?

that picks idea is incredible, and won't result in genocide either! well done! x

Easy, just play SL in 2004

Get a lawyer in the family to write a legal brief for you directed towards Linden Labs about the DOS (Denial of Service) attack being run in that sim and the legal implications of them NOT stopping the sim locking.

ALL though you may not trust the popular places list newbies have no idea and will end going to a least a few of those places.

Also, i have actually spoken to the owner of one of these places and from what he said sounds like there is money to be made, so i guess that is the reason they do it.

if you can't beat them, join them.

put in camping chairs that pays ppl not to sit in the casino instead pay them to sit next to casinos so ppl the sim will be filled up and no one can goto the casino to play

but i jest

If you make the popularity based on picks I would be willing to bet a large chunk of lindens that within a week there will be business all over SL that adverise paying for putting thier business in your picks.

Then there will be those of us who take note of those businesses as a list of "don't go there" places. I would be one of them.

I don't know if there is any real, non-gameable solution.

Edit: Of course, that would drop the lag, but the popularity stats would still be unreliable. I, too, think camping chairs should be banned, and won't go to a business that uses them.

there is no need for a popularity based listing.

Traffic should just disapear.

Sometimes I hear about the "good old days". I don't know exactly what was different in those days, but I have heard about weekly stipends greater than 300. I have heard about payment for rating [I am not sure if it was the rater or the ratee being paid], but you can see it on avatars who have been in the game for a year or longer. They have ratings noone will ever reach now that we have to pay for rating. I have heard about money being paid for the amount of traffic coming to your land. I have heard about events where you got paid just for being present.

I don't know how much of that is true, but I do know that there is nothing like that any more. Luckily I can build things and I make a few 100 L$ a week off that, but for most people there is really no way at all to make money except camping and prostitution.

So I say what we need is decent jobs in SL that pay a reasonable amount of money.

Traffic does need to disappear. This would solve many many problems in SL. Including the problem between my fellow staff members of Serenity Woods, where some of them believe we need to have incredibly high traffic to get noticed... I want to sub divide parts of the sim but the other officers say it would hurt the traffic by dividing it into smaller brackets. Personally i don't care if the sim gets noticed or not, as long as it has ways of paying for it's self. Which it does. We have a mall, and rental land. That should be good enough.

There are less decent jobs in SL becuase business owners are busy giving their Payrolls to campers.