just ignore and let this one die

Go back and re-read the posts. Garrett did not "accuse" CX of anything. Right after the 20k post, people started commenting about someone erasing posts and people commented about dishonesty and cheating and such. All Garrett did was make a post saying that you could figure out deletes by looking for quotes that were no longer there - she then made another post giving an example.

I for one would like to know why everyone is attacking her for this.?

Before she posted that, lots of people were upset and making comments about how horrible it was for someone to try and cheat like that. When someone shows that it MIGHT have been a friend, everyone here goes ballistic. She never said it WAS him - she simply pointed out how to do a search that would show that some of his posts were deleted.

Those test posts that CX made were done between 3:30 and 3:50 -- 3:30 is when I took a break and they were not there then, 3:50 is when you quoted the second of them. The 20k post was done during a flurry of posts starting at 3:57 and by 3:58 the second deletion had occured -- and coincidentally both of CX's test posts were gone..

Tell me how that does not at least look suspicious. Just because more people know CX and he banters in this thread is no reason to jump all over another member because she simply points out HOW to find information.

There is no way any of us will ever know for sure except the person that did it. Also, NONE of us can say 100% that another person did not do it.

And yes, I expect that many of you will get quite upset with me for this.

Rebecca can drop dead for all i care. she's a trouble-making, big mouthed, foolish bitch desrving of no respect of time. she has plenty of nasitness in her to cause me to totally agree with you wanting her to go away, and die in SL perhaps, but she didn't blame CX for purposefully deleting posts to skew the contest. 2 seperate issues.

the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Rebecca is not the one who was making false accustions in a campaign to tarnish our friend CX's name makes you seem biased, Trout.

that accuser was Garrett, and i am HUGELY disappointed in her for doing it, then not apologizing, and with all of you for brushing it under the rug. and furthermore, falsly pointing your finger at some other bitch makes it seem even more like a consipiracy to protect the guilty Garrett. WTF Garrett. what's your deal? why? sheesh.

i'm really pissed off about this. CX had his feelings hurt, and the rest of you just stand around and goof off, and no one has said one damm word about Garrett, the one who tried to make him look bad with no regard whatsoever.

and i know many said they couldn't believe CX would do such a thing, but clearly his feelings were hurt. i know you guys feel bad about that, no one wants that. yet, no one has called out the accuser. why? because it feels yucky? what about how yucky CX feels?

we all gotta be accountable for our behaviors. this is a fantasy world, but as stated many times.. real people are behind these names. and real people have real feelings. i don't think "just letting it go to be over" is acceptable. that's so hurtful, and such a betrayal.

for the record, i believe there were 3 posts deleted. Only Stife can tell us for certain how many at the golden hour, and who. i mean, who really cares. right? i don't. for whoever said it was about money, you are being ridiculous. everyone was having fun and doing all kinds of wacky things and just being plain ol' goofy. it doesn't matter who won, as long as it wasn't evil green hair. but even then, so what. so be it.

no no. this is not about who won. not at all. this is about SLANDER. and feelings. and justice. standing up for what is right.

but then, who here really wants to know the truth? Oh. isn't it just so much nicer and cleaner to just ignore it and let it die?..... of course. that keeps the little world nice and pretty and good and delicious... and FAKE! good, good friends. thanks bunches. i don't trust a one of you anymore if this particular incident of slander and meanness isn't resolved in some manner. We are all in this together. Everyone needs to stand and unite, or everyone is in the same camp.... and that means i want nothing to do with you. maybe you are glad to hear that. i guess the truth will reveal itself. doesn't matter how well you know anyone involved, or have maybe never met them. it's in the writing. it happened. and it's being ignored while someone was wrongly accused.

you each gotta do what you think it right. that's what i'm doing.

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Not me,I agree with everything you said a hundred percent .

no one has attacked her for this. no one has mentioned her name before now.

and, you really are going to tell me she didn't accuse CX of deleting posts inteionally to skew the game becuase she saw his quoted ones gone?

who did she mean then?

and WHO ELSE accused CX? who?

where's Garrett now? why isn't she speaking up for herself?

Not that I had forgotten- but I remember why I've missed you.

3Ring, I can't believe you're having this reaction over an explanation of how to find who deleted posts and the phrase, "Dirty pool indeed." Garrett never accused anyone of anything and a lot of people were more strenuous in their opinion of what they believed to be cheating at the time. It was a misunderstanding, that's all.

Damn it all- it sucked but enough already!

hey, i'm not saying we didn't all know something went screwy. i even accused newb posters using alts to try to win. not that it was right, but it seemed as anonymous as they were, so somewhat safe. i still, i have no proof, and therefore should not have said it.

i admit to my mistakes.

"dirty pool indeed" totally insinuates intent. and if i had been the one to notice CX's posts missing, i totally would not have instantly assumed he was doing something "dirty". at minimum, i would have asked him in private and took it from there.

AND... after realizing my error, i would have apologized post-haste! eaten crow. cowered and humbled myself.

i have seen none of that. that's what makes me believe that she believes the worst. and i don't like it. it's dirty pool.

/me bows to the master of the spoken word.

Psst. Do you give lessons?

yeah, you're right. let's brush it under the rug.

Hmm... don't sell yourself short...

oh my, and LOL! When I quickly scanned the first paragraph of your post, I thought it was in response to my question about horseback riding tonight...

Never mind! Carry on!

No one attacked her by name in this forum until you did, but she has had plenty of attaching via IMs inworld.

Her posts did insinuate that CX could be the culprit - they never specifically said that he was.

Nobody actually accused him in this thread.

Garrett is not here because I told her I thought it would just fan the flames if she posted any rebuttal.

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I don't care how many people think he is the greatest thing on earth. The posts that were there and now are not and all of that done in such a short amount of time look very very suspicious to me -- and I am not one prone to jump to conclusions about anything.

Now you can all be pissed at me and attack me because I will flat out state that I still think his deletions COULD have been the two that changed the post counts - and it COULD have been done to try and change the outcome. I do not see into his mind and therefore I do not know for sure about that.

It''s not sweep it under the rug- it's just going from bad to worse. I am tired of it- I don't want to know there may be people here I like that can act poorly- I know it is possible- but I have found such good feelings here- please- guys- please..

I suggest the people that want to continue the argument take it to pm or start a new thread.

No question, Yosef's got game!

And yet, somehow, I do not think the Prince of Darkness needs lessons on how to bend women to his will, er, I mean, woo... I think you do quite well on your own...

Just as there is no solid proof that he did it intentionally, you also have no proof that he did not -- other than your *feeling* about him.

I agree with Damien. Please, take this to PMs.

I will stop now. I am sorry. I stayed mostly quiet on this whole thing for a long time, but then lost it today.

The voice of reason.

I am sitting right here reading all of this nonsense.


You want me to say something? Okay, since this has gone from a grain of sand to the size of Mount Everest, I'll speak again.

People were wanting to know who deleted posts when they noticed the post count had changed. I tried to tell them one way of doing. In another post, I even showed them how to see _for_themselves_ who had deleted posts recently. I never once named names, nor did I fling around accusations, nor did I slander anyone. I simply provided a resident answer to a question that was brought up.

I finished my post with "Dirty pool indeed." because I was stating my opinion on the matter. Yes, just like _everyone_else_ on these forums, I too am entitled to my opinion. Just because you or others do not agree with my opinion does not make my opinion wrong, just different.

Do I still think it's dirty pool? Hell yes I do. What I think however is no more or less important than what anyone else chooses to believe. It is not the first time the person pointed out (I would have gladly pointed out anyone, no matter who it was I had spotted doing it. This is not some sort of personal vendetta so many are twisting it around to look like.) The reason I think it's dirty pool, again, this is _my_opinion_ is that the person I showed to have deleted their recent posts at a most inopportune time, has a history of deleting posts he makes. I've seen it many times, so it stands to reason he was well aware what would happen to the post count when he decided to delete his posts at such a "critical" moment. Again, I am not saying that is how it happened, only he knows for sure. I am merely stating my opinion as many others have stated theirs.

I stated my viewpoint, he came forward _after_ everyone being shown how to see he was at least on of the persons to have deleted posts. Again, whether he actually had any ill-intent can only truly be known by him alone. All others are merely stating opinion, myself included. He could have easily come forward and admitted to it when people started asking who deleted posts, and admitted he had, instead of waiting to be called on it to respond. To me, that does again look somewhat suspicious, but again and again, it just my opinion.

I do not apologize for any statements I have made, nor do I wish to retract any. I said what I had to say, and I meant it. Like it or not, that's how it is. I am just as much entitled to speak my mind as anyone else around here. If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it, because quite simply put, it's your problem, not mine.

I've said what I have to say, and I will not post on this matter again. People are going to choose to believe what they want, no matter what. The forum's armchair vigilantes want blood, and they are determined to have it no matter how much they have to twist things around to find someone to cut. Have your fun, but don't expect to draw me any further into the middle of this complete and utter pile of ignorance.

Be sure to quote away and pick my post to pieces, twisting around everything I've said to make it suit however you choose to make it sound.

I want to go on record as saying I did not and do not think that CX's posts changed the winning post position, being his were done before the winning post was made.

I was and still am pissed that someone would try to skew the post count, it happened way to close to the 20000 post to not be done on purpose. I still think it was dishonest and I have no idea who did it.

If any of my posts came across as to look as though I was blaming CX I am sorry, that was not my intention.

And yes it did very much look to me as though Garrett was putting the blame on CX, but that is something only she knows for sure.

I am still very much thinking this thread really should die... now we are seeing hate, and anger, and fighting, something I am sure none of us need.

And the "what happens in the forums stays in the forums" well we all know that doesn't work, it leaks into the world, it always does.

On that note, I am going to attempt to walk away, I will admit it is hard, as I do like many of you, and I enjoy reading the posts, but lately, the fun seems to have gone out of it (even before the whole 20K post fiasco)

Please be nice to one another, and if you really feel the need to rant and be pissed, look me up in world, I am really really good at having bitchfest sessions.

Also I want to add I am sorry for spamming the thread with my products, it was wrong of me, and I will try to not do it anymore (sometimes it is hard as I like to share the things I have made) I have created a blog, so if any of you like seeing what I make, or my random thoughts, visit my blog (it is in my sig)

Claire and Yosef, so glad to see you back!!! Both of you have been sorely missed.



3Ring, I really understand where you're coming from, but I think this is one of those instances where full understanding of the facts and circumstances, let alone the motivations of the parties involved will never be known. And so each of us has to form our own opinion.

I don't know what happened, I wasn't on the forum at the time. I know CX, and have always found him to be honorable and truthful. I don't for a minute believe he would have tried to skew the outcome of the contest. I don't know Garrett very well, and so maybe it's easier to make her a scapegoat. But, I don't know anything about her motives, and so I decline to infer any dishonorable motivations to her actions. If I implied otherwise in my earlier post, I retract it.

So, we're left in that most uncomfortable state of ambiguity. We simply don't know. As friends sometimes do, we'll disagree in our opinions. That doesn't mean we aren't still friends, does it? Yes, it's uncomfortable, especially for the person who's been falsely accused. That's what happens when people are quick to sling mud. But, IMO each of us is entitled to come to our own conclusions, without incurring my ire because their conclusions don't mirror mine.

Anyway, that's my $L5 on the matter.

Edited to add:

Sorry guys...I won't post on this any more...

Wow I see that posts are way past 20 thou! I haven't read anything since my last comment but see there are pages & pages since then.

Oh, are you all now going for another leg or is this it? I hear that there was actual Lindens being wagered on the who would make the 20,000 post? Did more than one person win?

So, off to read ........

You know what? If it's a choice between brushing it under the rug at the price of a few fucking dollars as oppssed to tearing apart some pretty good friendships at the urging of one miserable bitch who can't be happy unless those around her are, i say we take a collection up to send her back to WoW. She doesn't care about justice or what is right. All she cares about is destroying a group of people who have something she can't have, happiness, just as she is dead set on destroying what happines someone has in SL. Misery loves company. A lot of people have made mistakes here. Some have publicy owned up to them. Some have privately made amends. Some people won't air their dirty laundry in public. no one is obligated to defend themselves or atone here.

I have spoken to a lot of people on this, in private, and after this post will do so no more.

I have sent my pledged amount to Mac, he is the rightfull winner as far as I am concerned.
I take CX at his word and have apologized to him, which he has graciously accepted.
I also do not doubt that Garret had reason in her mind to be suspect, even though I do not agree with them. Only she can justify her motivations, which she has no obligation to do to us.

A pretty remarkable friendship has evolved on this forum, made even more remarkable by the fact that some of us have never met anywhere else but here. Some scoff at that, make fun of those who live more in the forum than in the game itself, but don't let them. The way things are nowadays, any place people can reach out and form a bond, no matter how tenuous is something to encourage, not deride. Don't let miserable people, whose only joy is seeing others miserable get that satisfaction.

You don't have to sweep the matter under the rug if you choose, but you can at least bring it into the house.