What languages can be used in SL?
I've tried using the standard Windows XP IME to get Japanese characters in SL chat, but they just show up as little boxes; am I doing this wrong, or is it just not possible?
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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01-11-2007 04:53
What languages can be used in SL?
I've tried using the standard Windows XP IME to get Japanese characters in SL chat, but they just show up as little boxes; am I doing this wrong, or is it just not possible? |
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01-11-2007 06:29
What languages can be used in SL? I've tried using the standard Windows XP IME to get Japanese characters in SL chat, but they just show up as little boxes; am I doing this wrong, or is it just not possible? http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/xpintlsupp.mspx _____________________
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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01-11-2007 12:45
Already done; I can input Japanese into other windows apps, limited only by my tiny vocabulary.
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01-11-2007 13:24
I found the setting to set SL to Japanese, but that just replaces all UI text with those little squares.
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Jillian Callahan
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01-11-2007 13:36
I found the setting to set SL to Japanese, but that just replaces all UI text with those little squares. No, really, that meas the fonts SL is using don't have the Unicode bits. I don't remember which fonts it uses off hand... _____________________
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01-11-2007 14:17
Works fine for me. I tried Chinese, Japanese and Korean, via IME and through copy & paste.
From the Windows Text Services tab try turning on "Extend support of advanced text services to all programs" (though on mine it was off.) -peekay |
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01-11-2007 18:15
Works fine for me. I tried Chinese, Japanese and Korean, via IME and through copy & paste. From the Windows Text Services tab try turning on "Extend support of advanced text services to all programs" (though on mine it was off.) -peekay I'll try tonight, but my understanding is that only applies to input mode, not the display of text after is has been inputted. I think Jillian is right, and that SL is simply not using the right font. I'd ask in Linden answer where documentation on Using SL in Japanese is, but they'd just take a week to tell me there isn't any. ![]() |
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01-12-2007 00:00
You need "arialuni.ttf" font. Mcrosoft has quitted to distribute it by itself for a long time. But you might find it in the net by using Google serach. Good luck.
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01-12-2007 01:00
Well well.. look what I found!
Arial Unicode MS is normally distributed with Microsoft Office, but it may also be purchased separately (as Arial Unicode) from Ascender Corporation, the only company Microsoft allows to license the font. Thank you! The Font name is "Arial Unicode MS" If you have Microsoft Office you need to install Shared Components->International-> Fonts -> Universal. If you don't own office (which costs a few hundred dollars) you can buy the font for $99 from the only licensed distributor. Nice design there... not only is there an undocumented requirement but a large additional financial outlay is needed because LL don't give the option of using a different Unicode font . |
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01-12-2007 01:33
Yes non native japanese (language pack for those non japanese systems)( os XP yes )can be used yes.But forget about those using japanese native xp.........Japanese native XP fonts dont work on the client... Its still in the beta stages for those that use native OS. 2 years and still I waiting for a fix.
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01-12-2007 01:36
Works fine for me. I tried Chinese, Japanese and Korean, via IME and through copy & paste. From the Windows Text Services tab try turning on "Extend support of advanced text services to all programs" (though on mine it was off.) -peekay I love that! cute and paste the ******.............strange how they can`t get this languge clients working right. They have a "COUGH COUGH!" japanese linden right. and....................priceless! |
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01-12-2007 03:09
I love that! cute and paste the ******.............strange how they can`t get this languge clients working right. They have a "COUGH COUGH!" japanese linden right. and....................priceless! A lot of companies screw up internationalization. They design for ASCII, tack on half-assed unicode support and don't do full regression testing over all the features. So SL isn't alone there. The difference is SL is supposed to just have supprot for typing in UTF-8, it's meant to have a Japanese client complete with localized Japanese interface. I've heard bad things about the quality of the translation though, and there are obviously a lot of issues they are not bothered with. |
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01-12-2007 03:31
*sighs*
It still won't work properly! With Arial Unicode MS installed I get a huge lag spike whenever any new test appears in the UI; looks like using a 22MB font is killing SL's interface completely when it needs to convert text to something to display on the screen. So now I can type and read Japanese, but SL is not usable unless I avoid all chat and IMs. |
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01-12-2007 03:48
*sighs* It still won't work properly! With Arial Unicode MS installed I get a huge lag spike whenever any new test appears in the UI; looks like using a 22MB font is killing SL's interface completely when it needs to convert text to something to display on the screen. So now I can type and read Japanese, but SL is not usable unless I avoid all chat and IMs. _____________________
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01-12-2007 04:23
Did you restart the OS after installing it? Yes. It shouldn't be needed after installing a font, but I tried anyway. Side note: During the lag spikes CPU usage drops to zero, presumably because SL is too busy choking on the font to do anything else. |
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01-12-2007 04:35
I suppose I should take this opportunity to ask:
Does anyone have this working? Am I chasing an impossible dream here? |
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01-12-2007 05:31
A lot of companies screw up internationalization. They design for ASCII, tack on half-assed unicode support and don't do full regression testing over all the features. So SL isn't alone there. The difference is SL is supposed to just have supprot for typing in UTF-8, it's meant to have a Japanese client complete with localized Japanese interface. I've heard bad things about the quality of the translation though, and there are obviously a lot of issues they are not bothered with. Thank you!!!!!!!! for repling really! finally someone standup and suppots this problem! ![]() |
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01-12-2007 16:02
I suppose I should take this opportunity to ask: Does anyone have this working? Am I chasing an impossible dream here? 1. Get arialuni.ttf from one of these rusults. 2. Unarchive it if it is archived. 3. Put it into Font folder under control pannel. 4. Reboot your PC. Never trust windows. No one succeeded without rebooting. ![]() 5. Log into SL. Use IME if you have. If you've never input Japanese before and can't find JP-input, go to Control pannel\Region and Language\Language and Details>Add>Input language, then select Japanese. hmm this way is really grey zone until Lindens distribute proper fonts as a complete Japanese (and also any other language) version. I'm not sure they have such a plan though. _____________________
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01-12-2007 17:45
OK, I got the source of the lag spikes.
If Arial Unicode MS is installed logging chat/IMs causes a huge delay. With logging disabled the delay is not seen. Without Arial Unicode MS the delay is not seen. LL shouldn't need to distribute fonts; Windows and Linux both have fonts that support all the needed codepages. Hard-coding SL to use a massive commercial unicode font is just bad design. (The font may have been freely available years ago, but it is now illegal to get it anywhere other than MS Office or by purchase from Ascender Corporation) |
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01-12-2007 19:10
shakeshead and wonders when they are going to clearify that korean and japanese are still inthe BETA stage.
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01-12-2007 19:20
If Arial Unicode MS is installed logging chat/IMs causes a huge delay. With logging disabled the delay is not seen. Without Arial Unicode MS the delay is not seen. LL shouldn't need to distribute fonts; Windows and Linux both have fonts that support all the needed codepages. Hard-coding SL to use a massive commercial unicode font is just bad design. (The font may have been freely available years ago, but it is now illegal to get it anywhere other than MS Office or by purchase from Ascender Corporation) ![]() _____________________
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01-12-2007 20:36
That makes sense. And now is it ok that I take you are able to use it? Finished? I miss having IM windows remember the previous conversation, was a great help in keeping track of what was going on. I can live without it for now. (given the lack of other choices) Agreed. Please tell Lindens so. No Lindens care this forum. ![]() I've posted in Linden Answers asking about it. If I can find where my Visual Studio CDs are, and get the open source client compiled, and find where chat logging is done, and figure out a way to make it work, I'll do that. But that is a lot of time-consuming ifs! |
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01-12-2007 20:39
I've just got an information from a Japanese.
SL just reads arialuni.tff for a UI font. So if you just rename MS UI Gothic to arialuni.tff in your system. it works fine. ![]() _____________________
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01-12-2007 20:48
I've just got an information from a Japanese. SL just reads arialuni.tff for a UI font. So if you just rename MS UI Gothic to arialuni.tff in your system. it works fine. ![]() Oh? sorry I been intouch a linden about this and still its a no go!..I don`t know what inthe world is going on but nothingis working. I can do any other soft program thats english and type in Japanese withthe native japanese fonts. But sl just seems to be so so confused reading japanese native fonts. 2 years and still the same result..... ![]() |
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01-12-2007 20:59
I can do any other soft program thats english and type in Japanese withthe native japanese fonts. But sl just seems to be so so confused reading japanese native fonts. 2 years and still the same result..... ![]() _____________________
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