Yet another voice thread

Hay, this is my thread, if any flaming is going on I'll be the one that does it.

"The reason is was created and implemented was for the very reason your confused about: demand." Er, ya. hmm of the 30-40 people I see regular in SL only 2 use voice. So where is this demand? If fact there is no sense in me using it, because only 1/2 % of the people I chat with use it.

"The opinions and polls of this forum are NOT a valid representation of the average in-world citizen." yup, people on the forums have enough sense to know there is one. No I'm not saying the average in-world citizen has no sense, or am I?

"have been begging for this kind of technology longer than I can remember" and what do they do with it? Talk smack at each other, but in SL it's called verbal abuse, or griefing. Which appears to be the number one thing it is used for.

"let’s trust them. They know what they are doing," Sounds like a republican talking about the US government. psst, dude, no they don't. If they did they would be paying attention to the forums and residents opinions. And it's quite apparent they they don't.

This isn't about voice, it's about the Lindens ignoring other problems while working on voice, like voice was going to fix all the other problems or something. And personally I don't like having voice shoved down my thought. pun intended. I don't want it, don't have any use for it, but I have no choice but to get it, and then put up with all the bugs in something I am not going to use, let alone having to pay for it. And just in case you didn't know, yes there are quite a few people that are going to have to pay for it, and believe me if you are in a group that has to pay for it; and they have to, that cost will role down the ladder to me and you.

Guys, I think we all know that a lot of you don't like voice. Why keep bringing it up?

/me queues the dead horse for beating...

ok, let me restate myself, this is not about voice, but about the Lindens preoccupation with voice, while letting other more serious problems go on, that are effecting more people in SL then use voice.
As in, I came in from work last night to find another update to voice, yet people are still losing inventory items, and not receiving bought goods, as well as all the other on going problems, still going on. What I am saying is the Lindens need to get their head out of their, er , voice fetish, and address other issue on the grid that effect more people, and are actually costing residents Ls.

Ah. Sorry for posting earlier technical blather: wrong thread, wrong forum, probably wrong VR app for that matter. So, to the topic:

Would another Open Letter make any difference? Can we ask them to take voice off the grid until all Asset Server-related problems are resolved, at least for one week of continuous well-behaved Inventory operations? Or at least to stop maintaining the voice feature until then? (If voice wedges, it just stays wedged until everybody gets all their lost Inventory transactions back? or until we have a local Inventory back-up mechanism? or some quantifiable progress on this g*dd*mned issue, for once?)

But I'm afraid such an Open Letter would fall on ears even more deaf than the first such Letter. There's speculation on another thread that LL is hoping to use Voice as an excuse to raise tier for Mainland and the $195/mo island sims. If that's true, they'll sacrifice everything else to get this thing to work properly. (Well, within it's severely limited design goals; I'm not anti-voice, per se, but find this feature totally unsuitable for my needs, which were--and are--much better served by TeamSpeak. So for my purposes, the whole thing is a white elephant, until a *lot* more development goes into it.)

Probably an open letter would cause them to not only keep Voice active, but would also cause them to take away something that works and everyone likes just to divert attention from real issues.

Yes theres quite a few anti-voice and anti- chat window revamp, threads. The fact that LL doesn't bother to look at them or consider the fact that we don't like something their doing, only proves that they don't care. My voice chat doesn't even work btw. I enable it and nothing happens at all. It worked last week when it was on first look, but now that it's live it's total shit. A worthless feature we didn't need, and doesn't work. Thanks again Ll for yet another one...

Yes, that's part of it I don't think people are thinking through. One way or another you are going to have to pay for voice.

Oh for goodness sake !!!!!! arghhhhh stop moaning about voice, If you dont want dont use it then but please stop this endless moaning about it or go somewhere else!!!!!!

Okay. But what can we do? I don't really give a d*mn (frankly, m'dear ) about voice, one way or another, but I'd sure like to get some of the stuff fixed that actually matters. Is it just hopeless, or is there some measure residents could take to get LL to make some progress on *server-side* defects (now that they've effectively outsourced viewer maintenance to the work-for-free opensource contributors)?

"Oh for goodness sake !!!!!! arghhhhh stop moaning about voice, If you dont want dont use it then but please stop this endless moaning about it or go somewhere else!!!!!!" It is helpful to actually read a thread before posting to it.

If I knew the answer to that I'd be he most popular kid on the playground.

Point taken lol, please insert the revelant words lol

But my point is that I do use Voice and find it does help a lot when chatting to friends. I think as time goes on more and more people will use voice.

I've no idea why Linden Lab have added voice. But just maybe it's not all about the current residents. Just maybe voice will be good for attracting people that weren't born with a keyboard up their ass.

Just maybe there's 1000000 people out there that would love to try Second Life but can't type or don't like typing.

Just maybe...

Well if thats the case, why are they on a computer in the first place? I mean until direct brainwave technology is an option, keyboards and typing are going nowhere lol..
Speaking of, I read SL is planning on releasing that in the next update!

Ok, that last sentance was a total fabrication.. Thank you very much =D

Well that's the point!, they're not on computers. But JUST MAYBE they would be if computers weren't so bloody anal to use.

But, but... that's why I asked: You already are!

I have no use for voice presently, and I agree that Linden Labs should have focused on fixing other problems before investing in voice. However, halting voice implementation now does not recover the money that Linden Labs has already sunk into it so that they may hire staff to deal with the other problems. Linden Labs has already contracted out the voice implementation, probably has already paid out a large portion of that contract, and I assume a large part of the work has already been done. Regardless of the wisdom of Linden Labs' initial decision to implement voice, at this point, it would be senseless to waste the investment in it that Linden Labs has already made. It would be a waste of an investment for Linden Labs and isn't going to help Second Life residents see other fixes any faster.

/me shakes her head demurely.....Noooooo...not by a long shot dear.

Another aspect of voice, that really hasn't been brought up is machinima, and live recording.

We just had a wonderful meeting last night with SLCN (Second Life Cable Network) and voice implementation is turning out to be a great blessing in show production. Because a lot of their shows will be recorded live stream, and even with standard delays and such, in-world voice has opened up a lot of new channels and avenues.

I'm not completely savvy on all the deeper technical aspects of live-recording, streaming, delays, and on the fly editing, but I know there is major potential for these things.

I just wanted to bring this up...because it's been over looked. And it gives me something new to say, instead of repeating the same old formula you know me for.

BTW, the whole meeting took place in voice AND stream. They used a program that combines both streaming technology and in-world voice. It was really cool...of course the only stickler was that when voicers asked questions...the non-voicers didn't hear. (but she repeated all questions over her stream, so it was OK)

I find that 50% of people in-world have dots over their head--yet only 25% actually talk. When questioned (politely of course, no forcefeeding or swaying) most of them said it works fine, they just don't use it. I think we just need to give it time, let the bugs get worked out, and it will catch on. New folks that come into SL without being text-jaded yet, will find voice welcoming. This is what I've run across at least...

I also find, if you like to talk in RL, you generally like to talk in SL...generally speaking of course. And there certainly are a lot of talkers in the world.